• Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Ap

    From J. P. Gilliver@3:633/10 to All on Fri Dec 5 12:17:54 2025
    Subject: Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database

    On 2025/12/5 12:8:8, Marian wrote:
    How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database and, if it is in Apples insecure WPS database, what else is there.

    If you'd like me to test if your access point BSSID is in the Apple WPS database, then simply respond with that BSSID & I'll run the Windows
    scripts I just wrote based on research published recently of the flaws in Apple's methods (some of that research is listed in the signature below).

    Note that your BSSID should not be in Apple's database if you've opted out
    by appending "_nomap" to your access point SSID (e.g., "my.ssid_nomap").

    None of my access point BSSIDs are in the Apple database, but I have the optout keywords _optout_nomap appended to all of them, but once I confirm
    the process works, I'll be glad to write a tutorial so others can do it
    too.

    Let me know which BSSIDs you wish me to look up for you in Apple's WPS.

    Can you get any idea of what's in the database, or can you only check it
    for a specific given one? (I. e. does it accept wildcards or anything
    similar?)

    I ask as it'd be interesting to know if it _does_ contain any _nomap
    ones, but you can't find that out if you have to specify them exactly.
    (Though you could make up a few to try, but that wouldn't be conclusive
    unless you succeed.)

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  • From Jolly Roger@3:633/10 to All on Fri Dec 5 17:42:04 2025
    Subject: Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database

    On 2025-12-05, Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    Can you get any idea of what's in the database, or can you only check it
    for a specific given one? (I. e. does it accept wildcards or anything
    similar?)

    I ask as it'd be interesting to know if it _does_ contain any _nomap
    ones, but you can't find that out if you have to specify them exactly.
    (Though you could make up a few to try, but that wouldn't be conclusive
    unless you succeed.)

    It's worse than I thought. I checked the Apple database for my own BSSID of an access point that has had "_nomap" on it for years, and it was in the Apple database!. The real GPS location. It was horrid. I almost fainted.

    Bullshit. Weak lie.

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  • From Alan@3:633/10 to All on Fri Dec 5 10:39:30 2025
    Subject: Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database

    On 2025-12-05 04:08, Marian wrote:
    How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database and, if it is in Apples insecure WPS database, what else is there.

    If you'd like me to test if your access point BSSID is in the Apple WPS database, then simply respond with that BSSID & I'll run the Windows
    scripts I just wrote based on research published recently of the flaws in Apple's methods (some of that research is listed in the signature below).

    Note that your BSSID should not be in Apple's database if you've opted out
    by appending "_nomap" to your access point SSID (e.g., "my.ssid_nomap").

    None of my access point BSSIDs are in the Apple database, but I have the optout keywords _optout_nomap appended to all of them, but once I confirm
    the process works, I'll be glad to write a tutorial so others can do it
    too.

    Let me know which BSSIDs you wish me to look up for you in Apple's WPS.

    Your idea of "security" includes me giving you the MAC address of my
    WiFi base station?

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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  • From Alan@3:633/10 to All on Fri Dec 5 11:11:56 2025
    Subject: Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database

    On 2025-12-05 04:08, Marian wrote:
    How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database and, if it is in Apples insecure WPS database, what else is there.

    If you'd like me to test if your access point BSSID is in the Apple WPS database, then simply respond with that BSSID & I'll run the Windows
    scripts I just wrote based on research published recently of the flaws in Apple's methods (some of that research is listed in the signature below).

    Note that your BSSID should not be in Apple's database if you've opted out
    by appending "_nomap" to your access point SSID (e.g., "my.ssid_nomap").

    None of my access point BSSIDs are in the Apple database, but I have the optout keywords _optout_nomap appended to all of them, but once I confirm
    the process works, I'll be glad to write a tutorial so others can do it
    too.

    Let me know which BSSIDs you wish me to look up for you in Apple's WPS.

    Or, if you want to do it without involving Arlen:

    <https://wavedigger.networksurvey.app/?tab=bssid>

    I checked mine...

    (And I've been using the same router for more than 5 years)

    ...and surprise, surprise: it's not in there!

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  • From Jolly Roger@3:633/10 to All on Fri Dec 5 19:59:27 2025
    Subject: Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database

    On 2025-12-05, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-12-05 04:08, Marian wrote:
    How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS >> database and, if it is in Apples insecure WPS database, what else is there. >>
    If you'd like me to test if your access point BSSID is in the Apple WPS
    database, then simply respond with that BSSID & I'll run the Windows
    scripts I just wrote based on research published recently of the flaws in
    Apple's methods (some of that research is listed in the signature below).

    Note that your BSSID should not be in Apple's database if you've opted out >> by appending "_nomap" to your access point SSID (e.g., "my.ssid_nomap").

    None of my access point BSSIDs are in the Apple database, but I have the
    optout keywords _optout_nomap appended to all of them, but once I confirm
    the process works, I'll be glad to write a tutorial so others can do it
    too.

    Let me know which BSSIDs you wish me to look up for you in Apple's WPS.

    Or, if you want to do it without involving Arlen:

    <https://wavedigger.networksurvey.app/?tab=bssid>

    I checked mine...

    (And I've been using the same router for more than 5 years)

    ...and surprise, surprise: it's not in there!

    Yup. Same here. Another nothing burger from little Arlen.

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    JR

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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/10 to All on Fri Dec 5 21:17:52 2025
    Subject: Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database

    On 2025-12-05 20:11, Alan wrote:
    On 2025-12-05 04:08, Marian wrote:
    How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple
    WPS
    database and, if it is in Apples insecure WPS database, what else is
    there.

    If you'd like me to test if your access point BSSID is in the Apple WPS
    database, then simply respond with that BSSID & I'll run the Windows
    scripts I just wrote based on research published recently of the flaws in
    Apple's methods (some of that research is listed in the signature below).

    Note that your BSSID should not be in Apple's database if you've opted
    out
    by appending "_nomap" to your access point SSID (e.g., "my.ssid_nomap").

    None of my access point BSSIDs are in the Apple database, but I have the
    optout keywords _optout_nomap appended to all of them, but once I confirm
    the process works, I'll be glad to write a tutorial so others can do it
    too.

    Let me know which BSSIDs you wish me to look up for you in Apple's WPS.

    Or, if you want to do it without involving Arlen:

    <https://wavedigger.networksurvey.app/?tab=bssid>

    I checked mine...

    (And I've been using the same router for more than 5 years)

    ...and surprise, surprise: it's not in there!

    Mine is.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ES??, EU??;

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  • From Jolly Roger@3:633/10 to All on Fri Dec 5 22:17:18 2025
    Subject: Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database

    On 2025-12-05, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
    On 2025-12-05 20:11, Alan wrote:
    On 2025-12-05 04:08, Marian wrote:
    How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple
    WPS
    database and, if it is in Apples insecure WPS database, what else is
    there.

    If you'd like me to test if your access point BSSID is in the Apple WPS
    database, then simply respond with that BSSID & I'll run the Windows
    scripts I just wrote based on research published recently of the flaws in >>> Apple's methods (some of that research is listed in the signature below). >>>
    Note that your BSSID should not be in Apple's database if you've opted
    out
    by appending "_nomap" to your access point SSID (e.g., "my.ssid_nomap"). >>>
    None of my access point BSSIDs are in the Apple database, but I have the >>> optout keywords _optout_nomap appended to all of them, but once I confirm >>> the process works, I'll be glad to write a tutorial so others can do it
    too.

    Let me know which BSSIDs you wish me to look up for you in Apple's WPS.

    Or, if you want to do it without involving Arlen:

    <https://wavedigger.networksurvey.app/?tab=bssid>

    I checked mine...

    (And I've been using the same router for more than 5 years)

    ...and surprise, surprise: it's not in there!

    Mine is.

    So one out of several. Not a great batting average.

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@3:633/10 to All on Sat Dec 6 00:08:16 2025
    Subject: Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database

    On 2025/12/5 19:59:27, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2025-12-05, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2025-12-05 04:08, Marian wrote:

    []

    Let me know which BSSIDs you wish me to look up for you in Apple's WP
    S.

    Or, if you want to do it without involving Arlen:

    <https://wavedigger.networksurvey.app/?tab=bssid>

    I checked mine...

    (And I've been using the same router for more than 5 years)

    ...and surprise, surprise: it's not in there!

    Yup. Same here. Another nothing burger from little Arlen.

    I checked mine by name, and got

    (!)
    Invalid BSSID format. Expected 12 hexadecimal digits (e.g.,
    AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:FF)

    (Probably what the B means?)

    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    "Bother," said Pooh, as he fell off the bridge with his stick.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/10 to All on Sat Dec 6 02:02:21 2025
    Subject: Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database

    On 2025-12-06 01:16, Marian wrote:
    It's classic for the Apple trolls to claim everything they can't understand is a "weak lie" as Jolly Roger just did, but the fact remains that my BSSID is in Apple's database (and the SSID is hidden & has "_nomap" appended).

    So all your efforts to hide yourself are for nothing. You are listed.
    You might as well not bother to hide! :-D

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ES??, EU??;

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  • From Alan@3:633/10 to All on Fri Dec 5 17:25:05 2025
    Subject: Re: How to test if your access point BSSID is in the highly insecure Apple WPS database

    On 2025-12-05 17:02, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-12-06 01:16, Marian wrote:
    It's classic for the Apple trolls to claim everything they can't
    understand
    is a "weak lie" as Jolly Roger just did, but the fact remains that my
    BSSID
    is in Apple's database (and the SSID is hidden & has "_nomap" appended).

    So all your efforts to hide yourself are for nothing. You are listed.
    You might as well not bother to hide! :-D


    The BSSIDs are listed.

    There is no easy link between a BSSID and the person or organization
    that is using it.

    A click using WaveDigger's site to search by location near my building
    (as a for instance) returns more than 1,500 BSSIDs...

    ...and NONE of them actually show as being in my actual building.

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