• Re: What is slowing down my WIndows PC & what can I do to kill it now

    From Anton Shepelev@3:633/10 to All on Wed Oct 8 02:10:28 2025
    I rather like your the Subject line:

    What is slowing down my WIndows PC & what can I do to kill it now

    What, indeed, can you do to kill your Winodows PC :-?

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  • From JJ@3:633/10 to All on Wed Oct 8 08:17:41 2025
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 02:10:28 +0300, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    I rather like your the Subject line:

    What is slowing down my WIndows PC & what can I do to kill it now

    What, indeed, can you do to kill your Winodows PC :-?

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

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  • From Anton Shepelev@3:633/10 to All on Wed Oct 8 11:35:15 2025
    JJ to Anton Sheplelev:

    I rather like your the Subject line:

    What is slowing down my WIndows PC & what can I do to kill it now

    What, indeed, can you do to kill your Winodows PC :-?

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    That's the standard method, if it supports the drag'n'drop technology.

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@3:633/10 to All on Wed Oct 8 11:48:06 2025
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:
    JJ to Anton Sheplelev:

    I rather like your the Subject line:

    What is slowing down my WIndows PC & what can I do to kill it now

    What, indeed, can you do to kill your Winodows PC :-?

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>
    That's the standard method, if it supports the drag'n'drop technology.

    Chuckle!


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  • From Stan Brown@3:633/10 to All on Wed Oct 8 09:41:15 2025
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 02:10:28 +0300, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    I rather like your the Subject line:

    What is slowing down my WIndows PC & what can I do to kill it now

    What, indeed, can you do to kill your Winodows PC :-?

    That's funny. My most common typo is Widows, for which a spell
    checker is no help at all.

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    those who don't have it." --George Bernard Shaw

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  • From Java Jive@3:633/10 to All on Wed Oct 8 19:40:06 2025
    On 2025-10-08 17:41, Stan Brown wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 02:10:28 +0300, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    I rather like your the Subject line:

    What is slowing down my WIndows PC & what can I do to kill it now

    What, indeed, can you do to kill your Winodows PC :-?

    That's funny. My most common typo is Widows, for which a spell
    checker is no help at all.

    Defn: 'Widow' - A Windows PC that didn't come up after a reboot.

    --

    Fake news kills!

    I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: www.macfh.co.uk


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  • From Anton Shepelev@3:633/10 to All on Thu Oct 9 01:53:11 2025
    Stan Brown:

    My most common typo is Widows

    Same here, also: `starndads', and `GoggleGropus`.

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  • From Paul@3:633/10 to All on Wed Oct 8 20:13:30 2025
    On Wed, 10/8/2025 6:48 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:
    JJ to Anton Sheplelev:

    I rather like your the Subject line:

    What is slowing down my WIndows PC & what can I do to kill it now

    What, indeed, can you do to kill your Winodows PC :-?

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    +--------------+
    |
    +---+ ii
    |CPU|>--//
    |RAM| \\
    +---+| /\
    +--------------+
    14 |
    foot |
    drop |
    |
    |
    ^^^^^ +--------------+
    <crashing sound>

    Paul (meat-powered-ascii-art-incorporated)
    (I'm still working on my people skills)

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@3:633/10 to All on Thu Oct 9 11:12:11 2025
    On 2025/10/8 23:53:11, Anton Shepelev wrote:
    Stan Brown:

    My most common typo is Widows

    Same here, also: `starndads', and `GoggleGropus`.

    Mine Thunderbord. And there's a word with ie in it - I think it's field
    - that gets transposed.


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    "We're plumbing shallows we didn't know existed here" - Jeremy Paxman
    (as quizmaster of "University Challenge"), 1998 (when losing team
    suddenly put on a spurt by showing knowledge of things like the
    Eurovision Song Contest ...)

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  • From Mark Lloyd@3:633/10 to All on Thu Oct 9 17:12:48 2025
    On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 01:53:11 +0300, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Stan Brown:

    My most common typo is Widows

    Same here, also: `starndads', and `GoggleGropus`.

    When I first got a home computer, I often made the mistake of entering
    "LUST" when it was supposed to be "LIST".

    --
    77 days until the winter celebration (Thursday, December 25, 2025 12:00
    AM for 1 day).

    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

    "If there is a God, atheism must strike Him as less of an insult than religion." [Edmond and Jules de Goncourt]

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@3:633/10 to All on Thu Oct 9 20:22:41 2025
    On 09 Oct 2025 17:12:48 GMT
    Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:

    On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 01:53:11 +0300, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Stan Brown:

    My most common typo is Widows

    Same here, also: `starndads', and `GoggleGropus`.

    When I first got a home computer, I often made the mistake of entering "LUST" when it was supposed to be "LIST".


    MAKE LOVE
    Not War

    [retained sig]

    --
    77 days until the winter celebration (Thursday, December 25, 2025 12:00
    AM for 1 day).

    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

    "If there is a God, atheism must strike Him as less of an insult than religion." [Edmond and Jules de Goncourt]

    *My* Winter Celebration is 4 days earlier, on the Solstice.
    [Full disclosure, I've not been at Stonehenge to greet the dawn on that
    day]

    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From JJ@3:633/10 to All on Fri Oct 10 06:34:47 2025
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@3:633/10 to All on Fri Oct 10 00:40:02 2025
    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the ground
    floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is upstairs (with
    the second floor, if there is one, above that, and so on); in American
    English, the ground floor is the first floor, upstairs is the second
    floor, and so on.

    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    You know what the big secret about posh people is? Most of them are
    lovely. - Richard Osman, RT 2016/7/9-15

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  • From Graham J@3:633/10 to All on Fri Oct 10 08:20:43 2025
    J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the ground
    floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is upstairs (with
    the second floor, if there is one, above that, and so on); in American English, the ground floor is the first floor, upstairs is the second
    floor, and so on.

    Don't beat about the bush!

    The language spoken in England is English. Variants of it are spoken in Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland.

    The language spoken in America is American. It is virtually
    incomprehensible to an English speaker. Many words have different meanings.


    --
    Graham J

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  • From Frank Slootweg@3:633/10 to All on Fri Oct 10 09:28:56 2025
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the ground
    floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is upstairs (with
    the second floor, if there is one, above that, and so on); in American English, the ground floor is the first floor, upstairs is the second
    floor, and so on.

    I think it's not so much a question of British English versus American English, but about the US versus (most of?) the rest of the world.

    And you'll be pleased to know that Google Translate said 'ground
    floor' when I asked to translate the Dutch 'begane grond'! :-) (My
    'Windows display language' is 'English (United Kingdom)' so hopefully
    Google Translate takes that into account.)

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  • From Chris@3:633/10 to All on Fri Oct 10 12:14:25 2025
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the ground
    floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is upstairs (with
    the second floor, if there is one, above that, and so on); in American English, the ground floor is the first floor, upstairs is the second
    floor, and so on.

    dragging ourselves a little more on-topic; in computing terms this is the difference between 0-based and 1-based indexing. C-based languages always
    use 0-based indexing whereas others (like R, S) use 1-based.


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  • From J. P. Gilliver@3:633/10 to All on Fri Oct 10 19:18:10 2025
    On 2025/10/10 13:14:25, Chris wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the ground
    floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is upstairs (wit
    h
    the second floor, if there is one, above that, and so on); in American

    English, the ground floor is the first floor, upstairs is the second
    floor, and so on.

    dragging ourselves a little more on-topic; in computing terms this is t
    he
    difference between 0-based and 1-based indexing. C-based languages alwa
    ys
    use 0-based indexing whereas others (like R, S) use 1-based.

    Yes, I've occasionally found lifts (elevators) where the ground floor
    button is labelled with a 0. (More often it's a G, especially if there's
    a basement [usually labelled B].)


    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    The party arrangement, which obliges perfectly sensible people to
    pretend the world is simple, turns representatives into drones.
    Jeremy Paxman, RT 2019/8/31-9/6

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  • From JJ@3:633/10 to All on Sat Oct 11 13:09:44 2025
    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 00:40:02 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the ground
    floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is upstairs (with
    the second floor, if there is one, above that, and so on); in American English, the ground floor is the first floor, upstairs is the second
    floor, and so on.

    Didn't know that, since I'm in Asia. So, thanks.

    Which one or do both still superstitious on having 13th floor?

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  • From Chris@3:633/10 to All on Sat Oct 11 13:04:44 2025
    JJ <jj4public@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 00:40:02 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the ground
    floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is upstairs (with
    the second floor, if there is one, above that, and so on); in American
    English, the ground floor is the first floor, upstairs is the second
    floor, and so on.

    Didn't know that, since I'm in Asia. So, thanks.

    Which one or do both still superstitious on having 13th floor?

    Both. It's a common western phobia.

    I've not seen it in buildings - in the UK buildings with more than 13
    floors aren't that common - but many airlines don't have a row 13.


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  • From Stan Brown@3:633/10 to All on Sat Oct 11 09:36:45 2025
    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 00:40:02 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the ground
    floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is upstairs (with
    the second floor, if there is one, above that, and so on); in American English, the ground floor is the first floor, upstairs is the second
    floor, and so on.

    In this as in s many things, the US is out of step. In both French
    and Spanish classes, we learned translations of floor numbers that
    match what the British do.

    --
    "The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by
    those who don't have it." --George Bernard Shaw

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  • From Frank Slootweg@3:633/10 to All on Sat Oct 11 17:20:39 2025
    In alt.comp.os.windows-11 Stan Brown <someone@example.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 00:40:02 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the ground
    floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is upstairs (with
    the second floor, if there is one, above that, and so on); in American English, the ground floor is the first floor, upstairs is the second
    floor, and so on.

    In this as in s many things, the US is out of step. In both French
    and Spanish classes, we learned translations of floor numbers that
    match what the British do.

    That's what I indicated in my response. In Dutch and German, it's also
    (the equivalent of) the ground floor.

    So we probably should have a poll on whether there is *any* country
    *other* than the US, which calls the ground floor the first floor.

    --
    Frank Slootweg, living on the 7th floor, so 7 (pairs of) stairs, not 6.

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  • From Paul@3:633/10 to All on Sat Oct 11 13:55:22 2025
    On Sat, 10/11/2025 2:09 AM, JJ wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 00:40:02 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the ground
    floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is upstairs (with
    the second floor, if there is one, above that, and so on); in American
    English, the ground floor is the first floor, upstairs is the second
    floor, and so on.

    Didn't know that, since I'm in Asia. So, thanks.

    Which one or do both still superstitious on having 13th floor?


    There are actually *multiple* phobias

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetraphobia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triskaidekaphobia

    Somewhere, an elevator is missing both 4 and 13.

    Paul

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  • From Stan Brown@3:633/10 to All on Sat Oct 11 12:06:30 2025
    On 11 Oct 2025 17:20:39 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    So we probably should have a poll on whether there is *any* country
    *other* than the US, which calls the ground floor the first floor.


    Reminds me of a 1981 Isaac Asimov essay, where in a footnote he said
    that the two most powerful countries not on the metric system were
    the United States and Liberia. And I believe Liberia has gone metric
    since then.

    --
    "The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by
    those who don't have it." --George Bernard Shaw

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  • From Paul@3:633/10 to All on Sat Oct 11 21:38:37 2025
    On Sat, 10/11/2025 3:06 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
    On 11 Oct 2025 17:20:39 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
    So we probably should have a poll on whether there is *any* country
    *other* than the US, which calls the ground floor the first floor.


    Reminds me of a 1981 Isaac Asimov essay, where in a footnote he said
    that the two most powerful countries not on the metric system were
    the United States and Liberia. And I believe Liberia has gone metric
    since then.


    But then we'd have to use metric toilet paper.

    That would never work :-)

    Paul


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  • From Paul@3:633/10 to All on Sat Oct 11 21:58:20 2025
    On Sat, 10/11/2025 12:36 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 00:40:02 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the ground
    floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is upstairs (with
    the second floor, if there is one, above that, and so on); in American
    English, the ground floor is the first floor, upstairs is the second
    floor, and so on.

    In this as in s many things, the US is out of step. In both French
    and Spanish classes, we learned translations of floor numbers that
    match what the British do.


    "Where we're going, we don't need floors"

    https://www2.isye.gatech.edu/~jjb/misc/elevators/elevators.html

    I like the use of the Asterisk, to indicate exit at grade level.

    Paul

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  • From MikeS@3:633/10 to All on Sun Oct 12 12:38:24 2025
    On 12/10/2025 11:57, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 10/10/2025 11:14 pm, Chris wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the ground
    floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is upstairs (with
    the second floor, if there is one, above that, and so on); in American
    English, the ground floor is the first floor, upstairs is the second
    floor, and so on.

    dragging ourselves a little more on-topic; in computing terms this is the
    difference between 0-based and 1-based indexing. C-based languages always
    use 0-based indexing whereas others (like R, S) use 1-based.

    "C-based languages" I can live with, although I've never studies it/them
    ... but "0-based" and "1-based"??

    Think of fields in an array. The first field may be given the index 0 or 1.

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  • From Chris@3:633/10 to All on Sun Oct 12 15:56:10 2025
    Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 12/10/2025 10:38 pm, MikeS wrote:
    On 12/10/2025 11:57, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 10/10/2025 11:14 pm, Chris wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the
    ground floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is
    upstairs (with the second floor, if there is one, above that,
    and so on); in American English, the ground floor is the first
    floor, upstairs is the second floor, and so on.

    dragging ourselves a little more on-topic; in computing terms
    this is the difference between 0-based and 1-based indexing.
    C-based languages always use 0-based indexing whereas others
    (like R, S) use 1-based.

    "C-based languages" I can live with, although I've never studies
    it/them ... but "0-based" and "1-based"??

    Think of fields in an array. The first field may be given the index 0
    or 1.

    Oh!! Are you talking about 2^0, 2^1, 2^2, etc?? Is that all?? Just never heard of it expressed that way.

    No. An array is a structure used in programming to manage a list of
    variables. The list is indexed by an integer which either starts at 0 or 1 depending on the programming language.


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  • From Mark Lloyd@3:633/10 to All on Sun Oct 12 18:18:51 2025
    [snip]

    Think of fields in an array. The first field may be given the index 0
    or 1.

    Oh!! Are you talking about 2^0, 2^1, 2^2, etc?? Is that all?? Just never heard of it expressed that way.

    For a 4-element array, are the indices 0, 1, 2, 3 or are they 1, 2, 3, 4?

    --
    74 days until the winter celebration (Thursday, December 25, 2025 12:00
    AM for 1 day).

    Mark Lloyd
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    "No matter how long a log stays in the water, it doesn't become a
    crocodile." -- (Bambara Proverb)

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  • From Paul@3:633/10 to All on Sun Oct 12 15:48:51 2025
    On Sun, 10/12/2025 11:56 AM, Chris wrote:
    Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On 12/10/2025 10:38 pm, MikeS wrote:
    On 12/10/2025 11:57, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 10/10/2025 11:14 pm, Chris wrote:
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    On 2025/10/10 0:34:47, JJ wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:48:06 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
    On 2025/10/8 9:35:15, Anton Shepelev wrote:

    Throw it out from the second or higher floor.

    Is that a UK second or a US second?>

    Wait, what? Aren't both the same?

    Not when it comes to floors (storeys)! In British English, the
    ground floor is called the ground floor, and the first floor is
    upstairs (with the second floor, if there is one, above that,
    and so on); in American English, the ground floor is the first
    floor, upstairs is the second floor, and so on.

    dragging ourselves a little more on-topic; in computing terms
    this is the difference between 0-based and 1-based indexing.
    C-based languages always use 0-based indexing whereas others
    (like R, S) use 1-based.

    "C-based languages" I can live with, although I've never studies
    it/them ... but "0-based" and "1-based"??

    Think of fields in an array. The first field may be given the index 0
    or 1.

    Oh!! Are you talking about 2^0, 2^1, 2^2, etc?? Is that all?? Just never
    heard of it expressed that way.

    No. An array is a structure used in programming to manage a list of variables. The list is indexed by an integer which either starts at 0 or 1 depending on the programming language.


    A[0] Offset 0 (32 bit integer equals 4 bytes)
    A[1] Offset 4
    A[2] Offset 8

    Some languages start the index of the array at 1 instead. Maybe Pascal ?

    A[1] Offset 0 (32 bit integer equals 4 bytes)
    A[2] Offset 4
    A[3] Offset 8

    Both setups happen to be 12 bytes total. The first one at least,
    is likely to be declared as having a size of three elements,
    but their index enumeration is 0,1,2 .

    Paul


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  • From JJ@3:633/10 to All on Mon Oct 13 18:20:34 2025
    On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 15:48:51 -0400, Paul wrote:

    Some languages start the index of the array at 1 instead. Maybe Pascal ?

    Pascal's 1-based index is for Pascal String (ShortString), where index 1 is
    the first character. But physically it's 0-based, where index 0 is the
    string length. Pascal simply doesn't allow direct reference to index 0 of ShortString.

    The one I know which use 1-based index is AutoHotkey. Both the original v1,
    and the newer v2 (which is supposed to have better syntax).

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  • From Chris@3:633/10 to All on Mon Oct 13 18:36:36 2025
    JJ <jj4public@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 15:48:51 -0400, Paul wrote:

    Some languages start the index of the array at 1 instead. Maybe Pascal ?

    Pascal's 1-based index is for Pascal String (ShortString), where index 1 is the first character. But physically it's 0-based, where index 0 is the
    string length. Pascal simply doesn't allow direct reference to index 0 of ShortString.

    The one I know which use 1-based index is AutoHotkey. Both the original v1, and the newer v2 (which is supposed to have better syntax).

    R uses 1-base indexing.


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