XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11
From: NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com

how to make win11 look like I'm using win10 to websites, at least to
Youtube.

There's nothing in the computer world so good it can't be ruined, and it
seems Google/Youtube have rearranged youtube's format, so if you want to
see comments, you have to scroll down 17 screen to get to them,

So far this has only affected my win11 computer and not either of the
win10 ones. Any chance they won't screw up win10 too? Until they do,
I'd like youtube.com to think I'm using win10.

One used to have to scroll about 1 screen to see the comments. The
extra 16 screens in win11 are filled with previews of videos you could
watch, that used to be about 1 square inch in a column on the right, Now
they are 3 or 4 inches wide and proportionally as high, and only two fit
on a page horizontally and 2 vertically. Do they think this will make
me want to watch another videio when the little ones did not?

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11
From: marionf@fact.com

Andy Burns wrote:

if you want to
see comments, you have to scroll down 17 screen to get to them,

So far this has only affected my win11 computer and not either of the
win10 ones.

I highly doubt it's the Win11-ness causing that; mine doesn't do it in Firefox or Edge, I don't think you can even try to "pull-the-wool" over YouTube's eyes, because there's no distinction in the browser
user-agent: between win10 and win11 ...

Hi Andy,

While I agree with your admonition to micky that it's almost certainly not
the version of Windows that's doing what he's seeing, I've found out in the past few weeks of privatizing my Windows 10 PC that you can make your
Windows web browser "pretend" to be running on Windows 11, Windows 10,
macOS, or even Unix by spoofing its user agent string using browser
extensions (depends on the browser and the extension though).

You can spoof the Operating System, e.g., Windows 11, Windows 10, macOS or Linux/Unix, or the Browser Type, e.g., Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Edge, etc.
and you can spoof the Device Type, e.g., Desktop, mobile or tablet.

I'm pretty sure you know all this so I just say it for the lurkers to learn from, where I'll list three extensions that spoof the user agent string.

User-Agent Switcher and Manager https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/user-agent-switcher-and-m/bhchdcejhohfmigjafbampogmaanbfkg

Edge User-Agent Switcher https://microsoftedge.microsoft.com/addons/detail/useragent-switcher/npjnioaeoicmjokbdpfiecnbildopjad

UASpoofer (GitHub)
https://github.com/theresayuy/UASpoofer

Note that I don't necessarily use those; they're just examples that do it.

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11
From: not.email@all.invalid

On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 11:47:55 -0400, micky wrote:

how to make win11 look like I'm using win10 to websites, at least to
Youtube.

[snip]

I just tried Youtube on my Win11 machine. It was normal (other than a
popup ad for Youtube TV). Comments immediately below the video and
previews on the right.

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11
From: NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 14 Sep 2025 17:47:16 -0000 (UTC),
Marion <marionf@fact.com> wrote:

Hi Andy,

While I agree with your admonition to micky that it's almost certainly not >the version of Windows that's doing what he's seeing, I've found out in the >past few weeks of privatizing my Windows 10 PC that you can make your
Windows web browser "pretend" to be running on Windows 11, Windows 10,
macOS, or even Unix by spoofing its user agent string using browser >extensions (depends on the browser and the extension though).

You can spoof the Operating System, e.g., Windows 11, Windows 10, macOS or >Linux/Unix, or the Browser Type, e.g., Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Edge, etc. >and you can spoof the Device Type, e.g., Desktop, mobile or tablet.

I'm pretty sure you know all this so I just say it for the lurkers to learn >from, where I'll list three extensions that spoof the user agent string.

User-Agent Switcher and Manager >https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/user-agent-switcher-and-m/bhchdcejhohfmigjafbampogmaanbfkg

Edge User-Agent Switcher >https://microsoftedge.microsoft.com/addons/detail/useragent-switcher/npjnioaeoicmjokbdpfiecnbildopjad

UASpoofer (GitHub)
https://github.com/theresayuy/UASpoofer

Note that I don't necessarily use those; they're just examples that do it.

I'm convinced this is not the solution for me, but also for the record:
I should have said I was using Firefox.
Firefox had a very popular add-on, listed first, that may also have
settings by domain, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/user-agent-string-switcher/?utm_source=addons.mozilla.org&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=search
but this one, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?q=User%20Agent%20Switcher%22
says in its summary that it " Allows custom user agent based on
domain". Ah, perfect, I was real excited when I saw that.

But now I'm following another trail.

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.comp.software.firefox
From: NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 14 Sep 2025 18:47:36 +0100, "J. P.
Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

On 2025/9/14 17:14:0, Andy Burns wrote:

micky wrote:

if you want to
see comments, you have to scroll down 17 screen to get to them,

So far this has only affected my win11 computer and not either of the
win10 ones.

I highly doubt it's the Win11-ness causing that; mine doesn't do it in
Firefox or Edge, I don't think you can even try to "pull-the-wool" over
YouTube's eyes, because there's no distinction in the browser
user-agent: between win10 and win11 ...

I agree with Andy: there's probably a setting for the size of video
previews somewhere,

Ah, that makes sense. The previews got so big they forced the comments
17 screens down.

Googling "setting for the size of video previews firefox" let to https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1k7dir8/is_there_an_addon_for_resizing_youtube_thumbnails/
Where a guy writes 5 months ago, "on desktop, in all browsers, recently
youtube made the thumbnails on my pages stupidly large,... is there a
way to have smaller previews? (other than zooming out, it makes the
menus unreadable)
i get the impression they are doing a staggered rollout of this new
"feature", there are some month old posts complaining about it, but it
still seems rare "

And the answers give 2 or 3 methods including uBlock-origin, that I've
thought about installing again (but do not have running anywhere now.
That's not the reason it works right elsewhere.)

which you've accidentally changed (or which YouTube
have kindly changed for you - possibly that _did_ happen when they

I didn't change anything. Just like youtube police videos where all
people the police stop say, I didn't do anything.

detected your change of OS). Rather like the view options in File
Explorer - from Extra large icons down.

If you can't find such a setting, ask ChatGPT or one of his pals; he
might well know where it is. I've found him not only knowledgeable about >settings (OK, in my case it was in Windows, not YouTube), but also
pretty good at explaining how to get to them.

Thanks. It will take a while to work on this.

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.comp.software.firefox
From: NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com

In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 14 Sep 2025 18:47:36 +0100, "J. P.
Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

I agree with Andy: there's probably a setting for the size of video
previews somewhere, which you've accidentally changed (or which YouTube
have kindly changed for you - possibly that _did_ happen when they
detected your change of OS)

I don't think I'm logged into Mozilla, so it would not know if I'd
changed OS.

Everyone likes uBlock-origin, but I still thought I'd look for a Firefox setting, and after searching on thumbnail and preview, I looked at the
list of already "modified preferences".

Amazingly, there are about 300 already modified preferences, even though
this is a new installation of FF and I've not consciously modified more
than one or two. And even if it does know about my previous versions,
they didn't have more than 5 or 10. Wait, I did set 10 or 20 urls in
my array of icons for a new Firefox tab. That's called browser,newtabpage.pinned, but they are all in one item.
And I guess I made some other changes in the regular settings, but still
250 of these, I never changed. FF must have.

Many names are ambiguous and hard to concentrate on 300 items, but I
didn't find anything that seemed related.

. Rather like the view options in File
Explorer - from Extra large icons down.

If you can't find such a setting, ask ChatGPT or one of his pals; he
might well know where it is. I've found him not only knowledgeable about >settings (OK, in my case it was in Windows, not YouTube), but also
pretty good at explaining how to get to them.

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11
From: java@evij.com.invalid

On 2025-09-14 19:45, Andy Burns wrote:

Marion wrote:

You can spoof the Operating System, e.g., Windows 11, Windows 10,
macOS or
Linux/Unix, or the Browser Type, e.g., Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Edge,
etc.
and you can spoof the Device Type, e.g., Desktop, mobile or tablet.

Yes I'm aware, but there's no differentiation between win10 and win11,
here's what my firefox on Win11 shows as its user-agent

"Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:142.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/142.0"

<https://whatmyuseragent.com>

For me on Win10 it's ...

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:128.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/128.0

... so the only thing that's different is the version of FF, 128 seems
to be the latest version that will install on w10, because when I do
Help, About I'm told that FF is up-to-date.

--

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I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
www.macfh.co.uk

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11
From: nospam@needed.invalid

On Sun, 9/14/2025 2:03 PM, micky wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 14 Sep 2025 17:47:16 -0000 (UTC),
Marion <marionf@fact.com> wrote:

Hi Andy,

While I agree with your admonition to micky that it's almost certainly not >> the version of Windows that's doing what he's seeing, I've found out in the >> past few weeks of privatizing my Windows 10 PC that you can make your
Windows web browser "pretend" to be running on Windows 11, Windows 10,
macOS, or even Unix by spoofing its user agent string using browser
extensions (depends on the browser and the extension though).

You can spoof the Operating System, e.g., Windows 11, Windows 10, macOS or >> Linux/Unix, or the Browser Type, e.g., Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Edge, etc. >> and you can spoof the Device Type, e.g., Desktop, mobile or tablet.

I'm pretty sure you know all this so I just say it for the lurkers to learn >> from, where I'll list three extensions that spoof the user agent string.

User-Agent Switcher and Manager
https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/user-agent-switcher-and-m/bhchdcejhohfmigjafbampogmaanbfkg

Edge User-Agent Switcher
https://microsoftedge.microsoft.com/addons/detail/useragent-switcher/npjnioaeoicmjokbdpfiecnbildopjad

UASpoofer (GitHub)
https://github.com/theresayuy/UASpoofer

Note that I don't necessarily use those; they're just examples that do it.

I'm convinced this is not the solution for me, but also for the record:
I should have said I was using Firefox.
Firefox had a very popular add-on, listed first, that may also have settings by domain, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/user-agent-string-switcher/?utm_source=addons.mozilla.org&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=search
but this one, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?q=User%20Agent%20Switcher%22
says in its summary that it " Allows custom user agent based on
domain". Ah, perfect, I was real excited when I saw that.

But now I'm following another trail.

The behavior of browsers, is strongly influenced by the "tracking" level available at the time.

For example, on Tomshardware, I get a shit-ton of unnecessary photos in an article, a deluge. Well, on one occasion, I selected "Private Connection"
by accident, and about *half* of the garbage disappeared and the web page
was almost usable!

In my view, the flavor of DOM storage, whatever Googles tracking-method-of-the-week
is (on say Chrome), that could influence how a web page looks, and whether garbage structures the user does not particularly want, are made to be part
of the web view. I gather there is some profit to be had, if your "scrolling thumb"
is visibly worn down by a single web page. That seems to have a value of $0.000001
per thumb-swipe. The way the pictures are deployed, suggest the user has to row-row-row-their-boat, to escape the deluge.

Paul

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11
From: NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 14 Sep 2025 19:45:00 +0100, Andy
Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Marion wrote:

You can spoof the Operating System, e.g., Windows 11, Windows 10, macOS or >> Linux/Unix, or the Browser Type, e.g., Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Edge, etc. >> and you can spoof the Device Type, e.g., Desktop, mobile or tablet.

Yes I'm aware, but there's no differentiation between win10 and win11,
here's what my firefox on Win11 shows as its user-agent

"Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:142.0) Gecko/20100101 >Firefox/142.0"

<https://whatmyuseragent.com>

Didn't know about this website. Mine for win11 is:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:142.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/142.0 Hey, that's the saem as yours.

When I get upstairs I'll check what it is in win10, but I did notice,
there is nothing in it about windows versions.

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11
From: none@none.invalid

On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 21:37:18 +0100, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
wrote:

On 2025-09-14 19:45, Andy Burns wrote:

<https://whatmyuseragent.com>

For me on Win10 it's ...

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:128.0) Gecko/20100101 >Firefox/128.0

... so the only thing that's different is the version of FF, 128 seems
to be the latest version that will install on w10, because when I do
Help, About I'm told that FF is up-to-date.

I'm currently running 142.0.1 on Win 10.

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11
From: java@evij.com.invalid

On 2025-09-15 00:34, Char Jackson wrote:

On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 21:37:18 +0100, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
wrote:

On 2025-09-14 19:45, Andy Burns wrote:

<https://whatmyuseragent.com>

For me on Win10 it's ...

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:128.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/128.0

... so the only thing that's different is the version of FF, 128 seems
to be the latest version that will install on w10, because when I do
Help, About I'm told that FF is up-to-date.

I'm currently running 142.0.1 on Win 10.

For me, Help, About gives:

Firefox Browser
Extended Support Release
[Green tick] Firefox is up to date
128.14.0esr (64-bit) [Link: What's new]
[Link: Firefox Help] [Link: Submit feedback]
You are currently on the esr update channel
[etc,etc]

Seems no possibility of it updating to anything more recent.

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I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11
From: NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com

In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 14 Sep 2025 17:11:38 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 14 Sep 2025 19:45:00 +0100, Andy
Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Marion wrote:

You can spoof the Operating System, e.g., Windows 11, Windows 10, macOS or >>> Linux/Unix, or the Browser Type, e.g., Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Edge, etc. >>> and you can spoof the Device Type, e.g., Desktop, mobile or tablet.

Yes I'm aware, but there's no differentiation between win10 and win11, >>here's what my firefox on Win11 shows as its user-agent

"Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:142.0) Gecko/20100101 >>Firefox/142.0"

<https://whatmyuseragent.com>

Didn't know about this website. Mine for win11 is:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:142.0) Gecko/20100101 >Firefox/142.0 Hey, that's the saem as yours.

When I get upstairs I'll check what it is in win10, but I did notice,
there is nothing in it about windows versions.

I'm so blind. Didn't see nt 10.0

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From: wolverine01@charter.net

On 9/14/2025 6:34 PM, Char Jackson wrote:

On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 21:37:18 +0100, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
wrote:

On 2025-09-14 19:45, Andy Burns wrote:

<https://whatmyuseragent.com>

For me on Win10 it's ...

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:128.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/128.0

... so the only thing that's different is the version of FF, 128 seems
to be the latest version that will install on w10, because when I do
Help, About I'm told that FF is up-to-date.

I'm currently running 142.0.1 on Win 10.

Same here

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11
From: nospam@needed.invalid

On Sun, 9/14/2025 8:18 PM, micky wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 14 Sep 2025 17:11:38 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 14 Sep 2025 19:45:00 +0100, Andy
Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Marion wrote:

You can spoof the Operating System, e.g., Windows 11, Windows 10, macOS or >>>> Linux/Unix, or the Browser Type, e.g., Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Edge, etc. >>>> and you can spoof the Device Type, e.g., Desktop, mobile or tablet.

Yes I'm aware, but there's no differentiation between win10 and win11,
here's what my firefox on Win11 shows as its user-agent

"Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:142.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/142.0"

<https://whatmyuseragent.com>

Didn't know about this website. Mine for win11 is:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:142.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/142.0 Hey, that's the saem as yours.

When I get upstairs I'll check what it is in win10, but I did notice,
there is nothing in it about windows versions.

I'm so blind. Didn't see nt 10.0

See? It's not so easy. They would need some other kind of
"sniffing" than just UserAgent. It is not slam-dunk easy,
it is going to take a tiny bit of dev work, to figure out
where they are.

Firefox has a whole page of properties, but I don't know
to what extent they can be seen from javascript.

On Firefox, start with about:about

Then look in about:support

to learn more about the Properties the browser is seeing.

Paul

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11
From: not.email@all.invalid

On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 21:37:18 +0100, Java Jive wrote:

[snip]

... so the only thing that's different is the version of FF, 128 seems
to be the latest version that will install on w10, because when I do
Help, About I'm told that FF is up-to-date.

They haven't stopped supporting Win7 yet, so I wouldn't expect end of
suppport for Win10 this soon.

My Win10 system has FF v138 and is updating to v142. If you stop and
restart FF, then go to help/about does it update?

--
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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11
From: java@evij.com.invalid

On 2025-09-15 20:30, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 21:37:18 +0100, Java Jive wrote:

[snip]

... so the only thing that's different is the version of FF, 128 seems
to be the latest version that will install on w10, because when I do
Help, About I'm told that FF is up-to-date.

They haven't stopped supporting Win7 yet, so I wouldn't expect end of suppport for Win10 this soon.

My Win10 system has FF v138 and is updating to v142. If you stop and
restart FF, then go to help/about does it update?

Already tried this, no, it doesn't update.

--

Fake news kills!

I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
www.macfh.co.uk

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11
From: nospam@needed.invalid

On Sun, 9/14/2025 4:37 PM, Java Jive wrote:

On 2025-09-14 19:45, Andy Burns wrote:

Marion wrote:

You can spoof the Operating System, e.g., Windows 11, Windows 10, macOS or >>> Linux/Unix, or the Browser Type, e.g., Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Edge, etc. >>> and you can spoof the Device Type, e.g., Desktop, mobile or tablet.

Yes I'm aware, but there's no differentiation between win10 and win11, here's what my firefox on Win11 shows as its user-agent

"Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:142.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/142.0"

<https://whatmyuseragent.com>

For me on Win10 it's ...

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:128.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/128.0

... so the only thing that's different is the version of FF, 128 seems to be the latest version that will install on w10, because when I do Help, About I'm told that FF is up-to-date.

Via a Policy, you can stop Firefox from updating.
Maybe in the About: it shows something about "your organization" ?

[Picture] Mine is still on 128

https://i.postimg.cc/tCM6JD4k/Win10-Firefox-ESR.gif

*******

What Windows 10 end of support means for Firefox users ?

However, Firefox Extended Support Release (ESR) version 140 does support Windows 10,
and next year's ESR 152 will also include support for Windows 10.

*******

You should be able to hop to a later ESR, except when the owners
stop support for a given OS. And I don't think Win10 support
has stopped quite yet. Using an EXE here, should advance the thing
to the next ESR.

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/140.2.1esr/win64/en-GB/

In the Update folder, you can see the Mozilla Archive files (.mar), which
are used for fractional updates. Here, the 140ESR is just doing jumps
within its own section. I'll have to move back a bit, to find a "jump" folder...

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/140.2.1esr/update/win64/en-GB/

And here is the pattern, when 128ESR jumps to 140ESR.

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/140.0esr/update/win64/en-GB/

File thunderbird-128.11.0esr-140.0esr.partial.mar 49M 07-Jul-2025 14:01
File thunderbird-128.11.1esr-140.0esr.partial.mar 49M 07-Jul-2025 14:01
File thunderbird-128.12.0esr-140.0esr.partial.mar 49M 07-Jul-2025 14:01
File thunderbird-140.0esr.complete.mar 76M 07-Jul-2025 14:01

It could have jumped from 128.11 or 128.12 to 140.0,
and right now, from 140.0 it could advance to the
current 140 release. But mine is now in the picture at 128.14,
instead of going to 140, implying "something is up".

But you can also force it, using the contents of the release (advancing ESR to ESR).
If it is in a mood to moan, it should do that when you try to run the EXE.

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/140.2.1esr/win64/en-GB/

Paul

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XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-11
From: someone@example.com

On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 21:53:34 -0400, Paul wrote:

On Firefox, start with about:about

Then look in about:support

to learn more about the Properties the browser is seeing.

As I typed "about:about", I grumbled to myself, for the Nth time,
about how there's no documentation of the "about" pages.

And of course, that's what turned up with "about:about". It's not
exactly documentation, but at least the list of most "about" pages is
a starting point.

Thanks, Paul!

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On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 01:13:46 +0100, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
wrote:

On 2025-09-15 00:34, Char Jackson wrote:

On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 21:37:18 +0100, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
wrote:

On 2025-09-14 19:45, Andy Burns wrote:

<https://whatmyuseragent.com>

For me on Win10 it's ...

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:128.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/128.0

... so the only thing that's different is the version of FF, 128 seems
to be the latest version that will install on w10, because when I do
Help, About I'm told that FF is up-to-date.

I'm currently running 142.0.1 on Win 10.

For me, Help, About gives:

Firefox Browser
Extended Support Release
[Green tick] Firefox is up to date
128.14.0esr (64-bit) [Link: What's new]
[Link: Firefox Help] [Link: Submit feedback]
You are currently on the esr update channel
[etc,etc]

Seems no possibility of it updating to anything more recent.

In order to update it, I'm guessing you'd have to leave the ESR channel
and move over to the non-ESR channel, whatever that's called. Is it the
normal release channel? Anyway, that should allow you to upgrade to the
latest release version, if that's what you want.

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On Tue, 9/16/2025 2:18 PM, Char Jackson wrote:

On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 01:13:46 +0100, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
wrote:

On 2025-09-15 00:34, Char Jackson wrote:

On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 21:37:18 +0100, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
wrote:

On 2025-09-14 19:45, Andy Burns wrote:

<https://whatmyuseragent.com>

For me on Win10 it's ...

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:128.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/128.0

... so the only thing that's different is the version of FF, 128 seems >>>> to be the latest version that will install on w10, because when I do
Help, About I'm told that FF is up-to-date.

I'm currently running 142.0.1 on Win 10.

For me, Help, About gives:

Firefox Browser
Extended Support Release
[Green tick] Firefox is up to date
128.14.0esr (64-bit) [Link: What's new]
[Link: Firefox Help] [Link: Submit feedback]
You are currently on the esr update channel
[etc,etc]

Seems no possibility of it updating to anything more recent.

In order to update it, I'm guessing you'd have to leave the ESR channel
and move over to the non-ESR channel, whatever that's called. Is it the normal release channel? Anyway, that should allow you to upgrade to the latest release version, if that's what you want.

All the snakes-n-ladders info is on the download site.

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/

128.14.0esr/ # Where you are now \
\___ fairly big jump in a high churn
140.2.1esr/ # Where to go next, the next ESR group / epoch, some hair loss, make profile backup

The thing is, not all the ESR were labeled properly.
You can see only one 115 was labeled properly. The 91 was
never labeled properly. And so on.

115.16.0esr/

91.13.1/

There is a good chance you will be farting around, trying to find
the settings to make your three pane view, look like the
previous three pane view. That is why you should not make
transitions like this if you're in a bad mood. I don't know if
128 is before this, or after this point in time.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/fbMzdtk3/TBird115setup-USENET-style.gif

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/bvvH5dby/Thunderbird-128-Import-Profile.gif

Just two samples from a 3000 image archive (I don't normally
keep those on S: ).

You can "go as safely as you want" -- like, clone over your daily driver
to a temp HDD, ram in the new TBird version, check it out, see if it is a disaster.
Make sure your mail servers don't have any pending mails, so there
will be minimal damage on clone-over and during test.

Paul

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On 2025-09-16 20:08, Paul wrote:

All the snakes-n-ladders info is on the download site.

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/

128.14.0esr/ # Where you are now \
\___ fairly big jump in a high churn
140.2.1esr/ # Where to go next, the next ESR group / epoch, some hair loss, make profile backup

The thing is, not all the ESR were labeled properly.
You can see only one 115 was labeled properly. The 91 was
never labeled properly. And so on.

115.16.0esr/

91.13.1/

There is a good chance you will be farting around, trying to find
the settings to make your three pane view, look like the
previous three pane view. That is why you should not make
transitions like this if you're in a bad mood. I don't know if
128 is before this, or after this point in time.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/fbMzdtk3/TBird115setup-USENET-style.gif

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/bvvH5dby/Thunderbird-128-Import-Profile.gif

Just two samples from a 3000 image archive (I don't normally
keep those on S: ).

You can "go as safely as you want" -- like, clone over your daily driver
to a temp HDD, ram in the new TBird version, check it out, see if it is a disaster.
Make sure your mail servers don't have any pending mails, so there
will be minimal damage on clone-over and during test.

Thanks, may be useful, but ATM we're discussing Firefox, not T'Bird.

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On 2025-09-16 00:09, Paul wrote:

But you can also force it, using the contents of the release (advancing ESR to ESR).
If it is in a mood to moan, it should do that when you try to run the EXE.

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/140.2.1esr/win64/en-GB/

Again, T'bird, and we're discussing FF. I'll look for the FF equivalent.

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On 2025-09-16 19:18, Char Jackson wrote:

On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 01:13:46 +0100, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
wrote:

On 2025-09-15 00:34, Char Jackson wrote:

On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 21:37:18 +0100, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
wrote:

On 2025-09-14 19:45, Andy Burns wrote:

<https://whatmyuseragent.com>

For me on Win10 it's ...

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:128.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/128.0

... so the only thing that's different is the version of FF, 128 seems >>>> to be the latest version that will install on w10, because when I do
Help, About I'm told that FF is up-to-date.

I'm currently running 142.0.1 on Win 10.

For me, Help, About gives:

Firefox Browser
Extended Support Release
[Green tick] Firefox is up to date
128.14.0esr (64-bit) [Link: What's new]
[Link: Firefox Help] [Link: Submit feedback]
You are currently on the esr update channel
[etc,etc]

Seems no possibility of it updating to anything more recent.

In order to update it, I'm guessing you'd have to leave the ESR channel
and move over to the non-ESR channel, whatever that's called. Is it the normal release channel? Anyway, that should allow you to upgrade to the latest release version, if that's what you want.

I downloaded Firefox Setup 140.3.0esr.exe from here ...

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/140.3.0esr/win64/en-GB/

... and ran the install, choosing not to install the background update
service. Afterwards, in Help, About I read 'Firefox is being updated by another instance', so I rebooted, but still get the same message. I
can't see anything running in Management, Services that looks relevant.
In about:config searching for 'update' I see the appended. Can anyone
see why I should be getting this update message?

about:config -> update

app.normandy.startupRolloutPrefs.app.update.background.scheduling.enabled
true
app.update.BITS.enabled true
app.update.auto.migrated true app.update.background.allowUpdatesForUnelevatedInstallations false app.update.background.interval 25200 app.update.background.lastInstalledTaskVersion 3 app.update.background.loglevel error app.update.background.messaging.targeting.snapshot.intervalSec 3600 app.update.background.previous.reasons ["app.update.auto=false","app.update.background.enabled=false"] app.update.background.rolledout true
app.update.background.scheduling.enabled true app.update.background.timeoutSec 600
app.update.backgroundMaxErrors 10
app.update.badgeWaitTime 345600
app.update.channel esr
app.update.checkInstallTime true
app.update.checkInstallTime.days 63
app.update.download.attempts 0
app.update.download.backgroundInterval 1999999999 app.update.download.maxAttempts 2
app.update.elevate.attempts 0
app.update.elevate.maxAttempts 2
app.update.idletime 1999999999
app.update.interval 1999999999
app.update.langpack.enabled true app.update.lastUpdateTime.addon-background-update-timer 1376090552 app.update.lastUpdateTime.background-update-timer 1758111722 app.update.lastUpdateTime.blocklist-background-update-timer 1598604565 app.update.lastUpdateTime.browser-cleanup-thumbnails 1758111722 app.update.lastUpdateTime.experiments-update-timer 1598604685 app.update.lastUpdateTime.microsummary-generator-update-timer 1375902668 app.update.lastUpdateTime.places-maintenance-timer 1376091752 app.update.lastUpdateTime.recipe-client-addon-run 1758110666 app.update.lastUpdateTime.region-update-timer 1757881858 app.update.lastUpdateTime.restart-nag-timer 1244816566 app.update.lastUpdateTime.rs-experiment-loader-timer 1608239517 app.update.lastUpdateTime.search-engine-update-timer 1681242721 app.update.lastUpdateTime.services-settings-poll-changes 1758111722 app.update.lastUpdateTime.suggest-ingest 1758110660 app.update.lastUpdateTime.telemetry_modules_ping 1756985466 app.update.lastUpdateTime.telemetry_untrustedmodules_ping 1756985466 app.update.lastUpdateTime.xpi-signature-verification 1758111722 app.update.log false
app.update.log.file false
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app.update.notifyDuringDownload false
app.update.promptWaitTime 1999999999
app.update.service.enabled true
app.update.staging.enabled true
app.update.timer 1999999999
app.update.timerFirstInterval 30000
app.update.timerMinimumDelay 120
app.update.url
app.update.url.details
app.update.url.manual
browser.laterrun.bookkeeping.updateAppliedTime 1753327452 browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.discoverystream.topicSelection.hasBeenUpdatedPreviously
false
browser.places.updateRecentTagsUri false browser.profiles.profile-name.updated false
browser.region.update.enabled true
browser.region.update.updated 1757881858 browser.safebrowsing.provider.google.lastupdatetime 1556619902027 browser.safebrowsing.provider.google.nextupdatetime 1556621597027 browser.safebrowsing.provider.google.updateURL https://safebrowsing.google.com/safebrowsing/downloads?client=SAFEBROWSING_ID&appver=%MAJOR_VERSION%&pver=2.2&key=%GOOGLE_SAFEBROWSING_API_KEY%
browser.safebrowsing.provider.google4.lastupdatetime 1636922454599 browser.safebrowsing.provider.google4.nextupdatetime 1636924275599 browser.safebrowsing.provider.google4.updateURL https://safebrowsing.googleapis.com/v4/threatListUpdates:fetch?$ct=application/x-protobuf&key=%GOOGLE_SAFEBROWSING_API_KEY%&$httpMethod=POST
browser.safebrowsing.provider.mozilla.lastupdatetime 1758110666410 browser.safebrowsing.provider.mozilla.nextupdatetime 1758132266410 browser.safebrowsing.provider.mozilla.updateURL moz-sbrs:://antitracking browser.search.update false
browser.search.updateinterval 1999999999 browser.sessionstore.debug.no_auto_updates false browser.urlbar.update2.engineAliasRefresh true browser.zoom.updateBackgroundTabs false dom.event.pointer.rawupdate.enabled true
dom.push.quotaUpdateDelay 3000 dom.quotaManager.temporaryStorage.updateOriginAccessTime true dom.serviceWorkers.testUpdateOverOneDay false
dom.serviceWorkers.update_delay 1000 extensions.firebug.DBG_SCRIPTPANELLINEUPDATER false extensions.getAddons.cache.lastUpdate 1514238602 extensions.systemAddon.update.enabled true
extensions.systemAddon.update.url https://aus5.mozilla.org/update/3/SystemAddons/%VERSION%/%BUILD_ID%/%BUILD_TARGET%/%LOCALE%/%CHANNEL%/%OS_VERSION%/%DISTRIBUTION%/%DISTRIBUTION_VERSION%/update.xml
extensions.update.autoUpdateDefault false
extensions.update.background.url https://versioncheck-bg.addons.mozilla.org/update/VersionCheck.php?reqVersion=%REQ_VERSION%&id=%ITEM_ID%&version=%ITEM_VERSION%&maxAppVersion=%ITEM_MAXAPPVERSION%&status=%ITEM_STATUS%&appID=%APP_ID%&appVersion=%APP_VERSION%&appOS=%APP_OS%&appABI=%APP_ABI%
&locale=%APP_LOCALE%&currentAppVersion=%CURRENT_APP_VERSION%&updateType=%UPDATE_TYPE%&compatMode=%COMPATIBILITY_MODE%
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media.gmp-widevinecdm.force-chromium-update false media.gmp-widevinecdm.lastUpdate 1753325349 network.http.http2.priority_updates false network.http.http2.push_priority_update false network.send_OnDataFinished_after_progress_updates false nimbus.migrations.after-remote-settings-update 0
pdfjs.enableUpdatedAddImage true
pdfjs.historyUpdateUrl false
plugin.state.npgoogleupdate 0
plugins.update.url
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urlclassifier.update.response_timeout_ms 30000 urlclassifier.update.timeout_ms 90000



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From: nospam@needed.invalid

On Wed, 9/17/2025 7:40 AM, Java Jive wrote:

On 2025-09-16 20:08, Paul wrote:

All the snakes-n-ladders info is on the download site.

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/

    128.14.0esr/   # Where you are now                     \
                                                            \___ fairly big jump in a high churn
    140.2.1esr/       # Where to go next, the next ESR group   /    epoch, some hair loss, make profile backup

The thing is, not all the ESR were labeled properly.
You can see only one 115 was labeled properly. The 91 was
never labeled properly. And so on.

    115.16.0esr/

     91.13.1/

There is a good chance you will be farting around, trying to find
the settings to make your three pane view, look like the
previous three pane view. That is why you should not make
transitions like this if you're in a bad mood. I don't know if
128 is before this, or after this point in time.

    [Picture]

     https://i.postimg.cc/fbMzdtk3/TBird115setup-USENET-style.gif

    [Picture]

     https://i.postimg.cc/bvvH5dby/Thunderbird-128-Import-Profile.gif

Just two samples from a 3000 image archive (I don't normally
keep those on S: ).

You can "go as safely as you want" -- like, clone over your daily driver
to a temp HDD, ram in the new TBird version, check it out, see if it is a disaster.
Make sure your mail servers don't have any pending mails, so there
will be minimal damage on clone-over and during test.

Thanks, may be useful, but ATM we're discussing Firefox, not T'Bird.

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/

The same principles apply. There is a tree for that too.

Paul

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On Wed, 9/17/2025 7:47 AM, Java Jive wrote:

On 2025-09-16 00:09, Paul wrote:

But you can also force it, using the contents of the release (advancing ESR to ESR).
If it is in a mood to moan, it should do that when you try to run the EXE. >>
    http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/140.2.1esr/win64/en-GB/

Again, T'bird, and we're discussing FF.  I'll look for the FF equivalent.

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/140.3.0esr/win64/en-GB/

That should be enough if going from ESR to ESR.

The reason I confuse easily, is there was also an ongoing discussion
about a Linux ESR of Thunderbird that was not advancing to the next ESR.

Paul

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