From: nospam@needed.invalid

On Sat, 9/6/2025 4:23 AM, wasbit wrote:

On 05/09/2025 23:34, Boris wrote:

Window 10 Home Dell Lapop, 22H2 (OS Build 19045-6093)

Seems I can't create an image of the SSD using either Macrium (free) or
Acronis True Image for Western Digital.  I'm trying to make the image on a >> Western Digital My Passport USB attached hard drive.

I first tried using Macrium free, but got an error message that points to a >> Volume Shadow Copy error 0x80042301. Here's the error:

https://postimg.cc/MMvQFGDj

I then tried ATI, but it failed, too. It simply said Operation Failed, with >> no details.

I searched for an answer, but many of the answers required deeper digging, >> most beyond my abilities.  I did notice that Volume Shadow Copy in Services >> was set Manual.  I set to Automatic, and Started.  Still got the same
Macrium error message.

(I can successfully run both Macrium and ATI on my other machines, with
Volume Shadow Copy set to manual, so I don't think this setting is the
issue on this Windows 10 laptop.)

Any suggestions?

I don't know which free programme will clone a USB drive but 2 that I've used in the past for internal drives are,

DiskGenius (D) - https://www.diskgenius.com/free.php
Hasleo Disk Clone
 - https://www.easyuefi.com/disk-clone/disk-clone-home.html

Hasleo also do a well recommended Backup Suite
 - Hasleo Backup Suite - https://www.easyuefi.com/backup-software/backup-suite-free.html

Some of the popular free programmes will only image/clone a partition, not a complete drive, whilst other have size limits.

Acronis True Image, Paragon Drive Copy need the non freeware versions.

They're all going to fail until he fixes VSS.

If all else fails, a Repair Install of the same OS version, keeping
user programs and user data, could work (put back the registry entry).
But I'd rather try a few things first than give up so easily.

Volume Shadow Service is a common strategy for all (serious) Windows backup/image
programs running under the Windows OS. When you run under
a WinPE, you don't need to do that (there is no VSS subsystem in
WinPE), as all the data is at rest.

Backup programs generally have issues with USB drives as a source
device, and I don't know if that is related to the status
of the RMB bit or not. Maybe you could image a Passport (USB fixed disk)
but not a Sandisk Cruser Glide (removable media USB stick). You'll have
to check and see which one is not a candidate as a source drive. Anything
with a file system on it, should be able to store an Image generated
by a backup program.

*******

In a pinch, you could run Macrium under the Windows desktop OS, then
check the preferences and see if there is a "PSS instead of VSS option".
That removes the dependency on VSS needing to work, but it also
means your backup of C: will not have integrity (open files could
be recorded in a damaged condition). The backup of D: might be good enough.
I'm not interested in testing this option, since I have zero tools
for verifying backups are or aren't getting damaged.

Paul

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From: G6JPG@255soft.uk

On 2025/9/6 4:2:13, Boris wrote:

[]

Windows 7 desktop runs Macrium v8.0.6979
runs from Windows fine
ATI runs fine

Windows 11 desktop runs Macrium v8.0.7279
runs from Windows fine
ATI runs fine

Wndows 10 laptop that's having this VSS problem runs Macrium v8.0.7279
runs from Windows but produces this VSS error
ATI errors out

Windows 10 laptop that's having this problem - have you _tried_ running
Macrium booting from the Macrium DVD or stick, rather than from within
Windows? (I presume you do _have_ a Macrium boot DVD or stick; backups
are pretty pointless if you don't!)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

(Incidentally, it was made in Spain so shouldn't it be a "paella
western"?) - Barry Norman [on "A Fistful of Dollars"], RT 2014/10/4-10

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From: G6JPG@255soft.uk

On 2025/9/6 9:23:19, wasbit wrote:

[]

Some of the popular free programmes will only image/clone a partition,
not a complete drive, whilst other have size limits.

Acronis True Image, Paragon Drive Copy need the non freeware versions.

FWIW: Macrium Free will image whatever combination of partitions and
drives it can find; IME, it defaults to being about to do all of them,
and I have to _un_tick the ones I don't want it to do (including the one
I'm going to put the image on).

I'm not aware of it having any size limit either, though I guess they
all have _some_ limit.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Religion often uses faith as a blindfold, saying anyone who doesn't
believe the same as us must be wiped out. It's not God saying that. It's people, which is so dangerous. - Jenny Agutter, RT 2015/1/17-23

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From: winstonmvp@gmail.com

Hank Rogers wrote:

J. P. Gilliver wrote on 9/5/2025 6:16 PM:

On 2025/9/5 23:34:9, Boris wrote:

Window 10 Home Dell Lapop, 22H2 (OS Build 19045-6093)

Seems I can't create an image of the SSD using either Macrium (free) or
Acronis True Image for Western Digital.  I'm trying to make the image
on a
Western Digital My Passport USB attached hard drive.

Are you trying to make the image by running Macrium from the running
Windows, or from a booted CD/DVD (or memory stick)?

Macrium reflect will run just fine from inside a running windows
environment if you are simply Making a backup image file.

You have to be more careful if you are restoring a file, especially if
that partition is on the disk containing windows.  Then it's best to
boot from rescue disk. You can't overwrite a system while it is actively running!

This applies to both the free and paid versions, and (god forbid) the
new greedy subscription stuff.

Running Acronis True Image 2020 or Macrium(free) from within Windows
- I've restored the entire disk(and also one or more individual
partitions e.g. System, MSR, Windows, WinRE).
To test, ran both Macrium and ATI on my Surface 3 Windows 10 Pro 4 MB
Ram, 128 GB eMMC flash storage/disk with the GPT/UEFI partitions(System,
MSR, Windows, WinRE) restoring different combinations or partitions and
entire disk. For this device a reasonable short task(the 128 GB Storage
with 62 GB used space has only limited software - Windows(and its
included software), Office 2019 H/B, Adobe DC Classic 2020, Chrome, Thunderbird, Windows Live PhotoGallery. and iTunes)- no Data on the 128
GB storage(all data - documents, pics, music, program installers on 128
GB SdXC media card).
- Note: Repeated the same task(s) from a bootable USB ATI or Macrium
Rescue Disk which requires changing the boot option to from SSD to USB.
Also as precaution disabled the Surface 3' Secure Boot.


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From: winstonmvp@gmail.com

Paul wrote:

On Fri, 9/5/2025 11:02 PM, Boris wrote:

Wndows 10 laptop that's having this VSS problem runs Macrium v8.0.7279
runs from Windows but produces this VSS error
ATI errors out

Error: invalid error OK, a Google suggests a weak spot in the plumbing.

"No VSS writers are listed when you run the vssadmin list writers"

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/troubleshoot/windows-server/backup-and-storage/no-vss-writers-listed-run-vssadmin-list-writers

Paul

Could also be something as simple as running ATI or Macrium with Admin rights(rt click shortuct, run as administrator).

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From: nospam@invalid.com

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote in news:109h590$30cjj$1@dont-email.me:

On Sat, 9/6/2025 4:23 AM, wasbit wrote:

On 05/09/2025 23:34, Boris wrote:

Window 10 Home Dell Lapop, 22H2 (OS Build 19045-6093)

Seems I can't create an image of the SSD using either Macrium (free)
or Acronis True Image for Western Digital.  I'm trying to make the
image on a Western Digital My Passport USB attached hard drive.

I first tried using Macrium free, but got an error message that points
to a Volume Shadow Copy error 0x80042301. Here's the error:

https://postimg.cc/MMvQFGDj

I then tried ATI, but it failed, too. It simply said Operation Failed,
with no details.

I searched for an answer, but many of the answers required deeper
digging, most beyond my abilities.  I did notice that Volume Shadow
Copy in Services was set Manual.  I set to Automatic, and Started. 
Still got the same Macrium error message.

(I can successfully run both Macrium and ATI on my other machines,
with Volume Shadow Copy set to manual, so I don't think this setting
is the issue on this Windows 10 laptop.)

Any suggestions?

I don't know which free programme will clone a USB drive but 2 that
I've used in the past for internal drives are,

DiskGenius (D) - https://www.diskgenius.com/free.php
Hasleo Disk Clone
 - https://www.easyuefi.com/disk-clone/disk-clone-home.html

Hasleo also do a well recommended Backup Suite
 - Hasleo Backup Suite -
https://www.easyuefi.com/backup-software/backup-suite-free.html

Some of the popular free programmes will only image/clone a partition,
not a complete drive, whilst other have size limits.

Acronis True Image, Paragon Drive Copy need the non freeware versions.

They're all going to fail until he fixes VSS.

Agree.

If all else fails, a Repair Install of the same OS version, keeping
user programs and user data, could work (put back the registry entry).

But I'd rather try a few things first than give up so easily.

Agree.

Volume Shadow Service is a common strategy for all (serious) Windows backup/image programs running under the Windows OS. When you run under
a WinPE, you don't need to do that (there is no VSS subsystem in
WinPE), as all the data is at rest.

Backup programs generally have issues with USB drives as a source
device, and I don't know if that is related to the status
of the RMB bit or not. Maybe you could image a Passport (USB fixed disk)
but not a Sandisk Cruser Glide (removable media USB stick). You'll have
to check and see which one is not a candidate as a source drive.
Anything with a file system on it, should be able to store an Image
generated by a backup program.

*******

In a pinch, you could run Macrium under the Windows desktop OS, then
check the preferences and see if there is a "PSS instead of VSS option".
That removes the dependency on VSS needing to work, but it also
means your backup of C: will not have integrity (open files could
be recorded in a damaged condition). The backup of D: might be good
enough. I'm not interested in testing this option, since I have zero
tools for verifying backups are or aren't getting damaged.

Paul

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From: nospam@invalid.com

"...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote in news:109ghcc$2rna3$1@dont-email.me:

Boris wrote:

"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote in
news:109fr0m$2ioet$2@dont-email.me:

On 2025/9/5 23:34:9, Boris wrote:

Window 10 Home Dell Lapop, 22H2 (OS Build 19045-6093)

Seems I can't create an image of the SSD using either Macrium (free)
or Acronis True Image for Western Digital. I'm trying to make the
image on a Western Digital My Passport USB attached hard drive.

Are you trying to make the image by running Macrium from the running
Windows, or from a booted CD/DVD (or memory stick)?>

I first tried using Macrium free, but got an error message that
points to a Volume Shadow Copy error 0x80042301. Here's the error:

https://postimg.cc/MMvQFGDj

(I am able to make an image of my 22H2 19045.6216 Lenovo laptop 10
Home SSD, having booted from a DVD, to a no-name external HDD. I've
never used Macrium from a running Windows.)

[]

(I can successfully run both Macrium and ATI on my other machines,
with Volume Shadow Copy set to manual, so I don't think this setting
is the issue on this Windows 10 laptop.)

Any suggestions?

TIA

Are the other machines Windows 10? What version is your Macrium? I
know the version of Macrium I used to find worked fine with my Windows
7 machine - I think it was Macrium 5 - worked fine with Windows 10
initially, then after one of W10's updates, wouldn't (this was on a
friend's machine - I was still on 7 at the time). The next version up
of Macrium (6 I think) was fine with it. (Both were versions that
would fit on a mini-CD. The current Macrium won't, it needs a DVD,
though I think would still fit on a mini-one.)

Windows 7 desktop runs Macrium v8.0.6979
runs from Windows fine
ATI runs fine

Windows 11 desktop runs Macrium v8.0.7279
runs from Windows fine
ATI runs fine

Wndows 10 laptop that's having this VSS problem runs Macrium v8.0.7279
runs from Windows but produces this VSS error
ATI errors out

Compare Win10's vs. Win11's Services Starup and current state(Started, Disabled, Startup State)

They are identical. Manual, Stopped.

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From: winstonmvp@gmail.com

Boris wrote:

"...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote in news:109ghcc$2rna3$1@dont-email.me:

Boris wrote:

"J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote in
news:109fr0m$2ioet$2@dont-email.me:

On 2025/9/5 23:34:9, Boris wrote:

Window 10 Home Dell Lapop, 22H2 (OS Build 19045-6093)

Seems I can't create an image of the SSD using either Macrium (free) >>>>> or Acronis True Image for Western Digital. I'm trying to make the
image on a Western Digital My Passport USB attached hard drive.

Are you trying to make the image by running Macrium from the running
Windows, or from a booted CD/DVD (or memory stick)?>

I first tried using Macrium free, but got an error message that
points to a Volume Shadow Copy error 0x80042301. Here's the error:

https://postimg.cc/MMvQFGDj

(I am able to make an image of my 22H2 19045.6216 Lenovo laptop 10
Home SSD, having booted from a DVD, to a no-name external HDD. I've
never used Macrium from a running Windows.)

[]

(I can successfully run both Macrium and ATI on my other machines,
with Volume Shadow Copy set to manual, so I don't think this setting >>>>> is the issue on this Windows 10 laptop.)

Any suggestions?

TIA

Are the other machines Windows 10? What version is your Macrium? I
know the version of Macrium I used to find worked fine with my Windows >>>> 7 machine - I think it was Macrium 5 - worked fine with Windows 10
initially, then after one of W10's updates, wouldn't (this was on a
friend's machine - I was still on 7 at the time). The next version up
of Macrium (6 I think) was fine with it. (Both were versions that
would fit on a mini-CD. The current Macrium won't, it needs a DVD,
though I think would still fit on a mini-one.)

Windows 7 desktop runs Macrium v8.0.6979
runs from Windows fine
ATI runs fine

Windows 11 desktop runs Macrium v8.0.7279
runs from Windows fine
ATI runs fine

Wndows 10 laptop that's having this VSS problem runs Macrium v8.0.7279
runs from Windows but produces this VSS error
ATI errors out

Compare Win10's vs. Win11's Services Starup and current state(Started,
Disabled, Startup State)

They are identical. Manual, Stopped.

All Services are manual and stopped?
or
Which service(s) are manual and stopped that apply to Macrium and ATI?

Has Macrium been run with admin rights?
If so, same identical error if run without admin rights?


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