• What determines which monitor a window or program GUI will pop up on?

    From Marion@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Aug 8 00:34:26 2025
    In a dual-monitor setup, even with a primary monitor always set as monitor
    1 (main display), most of the time, when I open a new folder in Windows
    file explorer (when none are already open), the new folder display pops up
    on the last monitor that had a folder open in it (even if closed).

    Likewise, most of the time, a new browser or application window does the
    same tagging along like Scooby-Doo, who tags along with Shaggy and the rest
    of the Mystery Inc. gang.

    But sometimes they don't.

    Sometimes an application window pops up seemingly on whatever monitor it
    feels like opening up on.

    I'm aware of apps like DisplayFusion or UltraMon but they're not running.
    I'm also aware of ways to fix a command window to a size, font & location,
    but this isn't about command windows that are set to open always in the
    same spot as these windows move around from monitor to monitor seemingly
    almost willy nilly.

    Is there a Windows setting or logic that controls which monitor
    applications pop up on?

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  • From Daniel70@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Aug 8 21:03:31 2025
    Subject: Re: What determines which monitor a window or program GUI will pop up
    on?

    On 8/08/2025 12:34 am, Marion wrote:
    In a dual-monitor setup, even with a primary monitor always set as monitor
    1 (main display), most of the time, when I open a new folder in Windows
    file explorer (when none are already open), the new folder display pops up
    on the last monitor that had a folder open in it (even if closed).

    Likewise, most of the time, a new browser or application window does the
    same tagging along like Scooby-Doo, who tags along with Shaggy and the rest of the Mystery Inc. gang.

    But sometimes they don't.

    Sometimes an application window pops up seemingly on whatever monitor it feels like opening up on.

    I'm aware of apps like DisplayFusion or UltraMon but they're not running.
    I'm also aware of ways to fix a command window to a size, font & location, but this isn't about command windows that are set to open always in the
    same spot as these windows move around from monitor to monitor seemingly almost willy nilly.

    Is there a Windows setting or logic that controls which monitor
    applications pop up on?

    Marion, I've done very little work with multiply screens (and not in a
    loooong time) but could it be that the screen where you last DID
    something has 'control' .... even if you have moved the mouse to the
    other screen??

    If so, I don't know if there IS a Windows control w.r.t. that effect.
    --
    Daniel70

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  • From R.Wieser@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Aug 8 21:33:16 2025
    Subject: Re: What determines which monitor a window or program GUI will pop up on?

    Arlen,

    the new folder display pops up on the last monitor that had
    a folder open in it (even if closed).

    And at the same position, size and display-mode (list, details, icons, etc) too. Thats the way its supposed to work.

    But sometimes they don't.

    Google for file-browsers that do not keep its display-mode setting.

    Is there a Windows setting or logic that controls which
    monitor applications pop up on?

    ??? You're asking about which monitor a *folder* opens up on, but here you switch to *applications* ? Those two have a rather different mechanism to save/load their preferences you know. All you are doing there is to confuse the matter. :-(

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser



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  • From Daniel70@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Aug 8 21:52:05 2025
    Subject: Re: What determines which monitor a window or program GUI will pop up
    on?

    On 8/08/2025 9:33 pm, R.Wieser wrote:
    Arlen,

    the new folder display pops up on the last monitor that had
    a folder open in it (even if closed).

    And at the same position, size and display-mode (list, details, icons, etc) too. Thats the way its supposed to work.

    But sometimes they don't.

    Google for file-browsers that do not keep its display-mode setting.

    Is there a Windows setting or logic that controls which
    monitor applications pop up on?

    ??? You're asking about which monitor a *folder* opens up on, but here you switch to *applications* ? Those two have a rather different mechanism to save/load their preferences you know. All you are doing there is to confuse the matter. :-(

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

    I read it as Marion wanting to know if there were a Windows-wide setting
    for which screen might retain 'Control', the MAIN screen or the 'last actioned' screen.
    --
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  • From R.Wieser@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Aug 9 00:36:47 2025
    Subject: Re: What determines which monitor a window or program GUI will pop up on?

    Daniel70,

    ??? You're asking about which monitor a *folder* opens up on, but here
    you switch to *applications* ? Those two have a rather different
    mechanism
    to save/load their preferences you know. All you are doing there is to
    confuse
    the matter. :-(
    ....
    I read it as Marion wanting to know if there were a Windows-wide setting
    for which screen might retain 'Control', the MAIN screen or the 'last actioned' screen.

    Don't.

    He asked "a Windows setting or logic", which are two rather different things and as such cannot be replied to with a single answer - or you must like the answer "yes". :-) And I already mentioned that folders and applications are also two quite things handled quite differently.

    iow, he has presented us with a question which needs *four different
    answers* to be complete. That doesn't work.

    Besides, he could have googled for it and gotten a list of results -
    including newsgroup posts - of people having the same problem. I would
    have just costed him a bit of time.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser



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  • From Daniel70@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Aug 9 19:38:44 2025
    Subject: Re: What determines which monitor a window or program GUI will pop up
    on?

    On 9/08/2025 12:36 am, R.Wieser wrote:
    Daniel70,

    ??? You're asking about which monitor a *folder* opens up on, but here >>> you switch to *applications* ? Those two have a rather different
    mechanism
    to save/load their preferences you know. All you are doing there is to
    confuse
    the matter. :-(
    ...
    I read it as Marion wanting to know if there were a Windows-wide setting
    for which screen might retain 'Control', the MAIN screen or the 'last
    actioned' screen.

    Don't.

    He asked "a Windows setting or logic", which are two rather different things and as such cannot be replied to with a single answer - or you must like the answer "yes". :-) And I already mentioned that folders and applications are also two quite things handled quite differently.

    iow, he has presented us with a question which needs *four different
    answers* to be complete. That doesn't work.

    Besides, he could have googled for it and gotten a list of results - including newsgroup posts - of people having the same problem. I would
    have just costed him a bit of time.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

    Ahh! Well, I just thought I was offering a solution to 'one' of his
    implied questions.

    Sorry for the noise!!
    --
    Daniel70

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  • From R.Wieser@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Aug 9 21:06:27 2025
    Subject: Re: What determines which monitor a window or program GUI will pop up on?

    Daniel70,

    iow, he has presented us with a question which needs *four different
    answers* to be complete. That doesn't work.
    ....
    Ahh! Well, I just thought I was offering a solution to 'one' of his
    implied questions.

    With most others I would have done the same.

    But this is Arlen (marion), who has a problem with anything but a perfect answer (ready to use, presented on silver platter). And as he is asking a confusing question there is no way you, I or anybody else could deliver it.

    By the way: do notice that I replied to the first part of his question
    (about folders opening here-and-there), with a suggestion to look/search for
    a specific issue with them. Chances are that the solution to that will
    solve his folder problem too. iow, I still tried to help him.

    Sorry for the noise!!

    You have done nothing to be sorry for.

    I just wanted to warn you. If you think that you have something that could help him than do post it. Just don't be surprised if the OP comes back less than thankfull.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser



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  • From Daniel70@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Aug 9 21:26:34 2025
    Subject: Re: What determines which monitor a window or program GUI will pop up
    on?

    On 9/08/2025 9:06 pm, R.Wieser wrote:
    Daniel70,

    iow, he has presented us with a question which needs *four
    different answers* to be complete. That doesn't work.
    ...
    Ahh! Well, I just thought I was offering a solution to 'one' of
    his implied questions.

    With most others I would have done the same.

    But this is Arlen (marion)

    "Arlen" <=> "Marion"?? Really?? I hadn't made that connection. ;-( Not
    that I go looking for such connection, I just try to help.

    , who has a problem with anything but a perfect answer (ready to use, presented on silver platter). And as he is asking a confusing
    question there is no way you, I or anybody else could deliver it.

    By the way: do notice that I replied to the first part of his
    question (about folders opening here-and-there), with a suggestion to look/search for a specific issue with them. Chances are that the
    solution to that will solve his folder problem too. iow, I still
    tried to help him.

    Sorry for the noise!!

    You have done nothing to be sorry for.

    I just wanted to warn you. If you think that you have something that
    could help him than do post it. Just don't be surprised if the OP
    comes back less than thankfull.

    Regards, Rudy Wieser
    --
    Daniel70

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  • From R.Wieser@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Aug 9 22:22:24 2025
    Subject: Re: What determines which monitor a window or program GUI will pop up on?

    Daniel70,

    But this is Arlen (marion)

    "Arlen" <=> "Marion"?? Really??

    Yep. He's being using this one for a couple of months now.

    I hadn't made that connection. ;-(

    He also posts in several other newsgroups, and has a rather noticable style
    of asking questions and dealing with replies he doesn't like.

    Not that I go looking for such connection, I just try to help.

    Just as I like to do. Though in (t)his case with a bit more restraint than
    I would have with others.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser



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  • From Peter Johnson@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Aug 10 02:42:21 2025
    Subject: Re: What determines which monitor a window or program GUI will pop up on?

    On Thu, 7 Aug 2025 14:34:26 -0000 (UTC), Marion <marion@facts.com>
    wrote:

    In a dual-monitor setup, even with a primary monitor always set as monitor
    1 (main display), most of the time, when I open a new folder in Windows
    file explorer (when none are already open), the new folder display pops up
    on the last monitor that had a folder open in it (even if closed).

    Likewise, most of the time, a new browser or application window does the
    same tagging along like Scooby-Doo, who tags along with Shaggy and the rest >of the Mystery Inc. gang.

    But sometimes they don't.

    Sometimes an application window pops up seemingly on whatever monitor it >feels like opening up on.

    I'm aware of apps like DisplayFusion or UltraMon but they're not running.
    I'm also aware of ways to fix a command window to a size, font & location, >but this isn't about command windows that are set to open always in the
    same spot as these windows move around from monitor to monitor seemingly >almost willy nilly.

    Is there a Windows setting or logic that controls which monitor
    applications pop up on?

    There probably isn't any user controllable 'setting or logic' but I
    have a triple monitor setup and my programs open on the same screen
    they were closed on.

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  • From Marion@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Aug 10 07:52:02 2025
    Subject: Re: What determines which monitor a window or program GUI will pop up on?

    On Fri, 8 Aug 2025 21:03:31 +1000, Daniel70 wrote :


    Is there a Windows setting or logic that controls which monitor
    applications pop up on?

    Marion, I've done very little work with multiply screens (and not in a loooong time) but could it be that the screen where you last DID
    something has 'control' .... even if you have moved the mouse to the
    other screen??

    If so, I don't know if there IS a Windows control w.r.t. that effect.

    That's kind of what I am trying to understand.
    Some windows behave just like you'd expect them to.
    Either they always open on the same monitor, or on the last monitor used.
    But other windows don't seem to have a rhyme or reason where they open.

    BTW, I don't see anything from the super troll Rudy Wieser unless I bother
    to unhide his posts, where I see he's mischaracterizing my privacy goals.

    Given I post on the same newsgroups for decades, with the same screenshot
    style (which is unique to me) from the same location (Santa Cruz
    Mountains), with the same phone (Samsung Galaxy A32-5G) from the same
    carrier (T-Mobile), etc., it's always amazing to me when these super trolls like Rudy Wieser claim to have "figured out my posts" when it's obvious.

    I don't "hide" from those who are on this newsgroup.
    Who the hell other than me writes all those "TUTORIALs" for God's sake.

    Only an ignorant super troll like Rudy Wieser is would infest any thread
    just for his own gleeful sadistic purpose of posting endless garbage.

    All of which is off topic - as is this half of this post defending that
    privacy is something I write about on this newsgroup all the time.

    If Rudy Wieser is so shockingly ignorant that he can't figure out most of
    my posts for decades, perhaps to the tune of thousands on this newsgroup
    alone, are about the topic of giving privacy to the gneeral puboic, then anything that super troll Rudy Wieser says, is completely meaningless.

    'nuff said about the super troll Rudy Wieser who hasn't posted a single
    useful thread in his entire life, where just this one tutorial is more
    value added to this newsgroup than Rudy can amass in decades of his
    trolling.
    *Tutorial: DIY build your own lightweight privacy web browser*
    <<https://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C105ptvs%242ihi%241%40nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com%3E>>

    If it takes Rudy Wieser two decades to figure out I care about header
    privacy, even as I don't hide from you - the people on this newsgroup -
    then anything Rudy Wieser says about privacy is meaningless as he clearly doesn't understand privacy.

    All Rudy Wieser ever does, is off topic trolls infesting threads like a sadistic yet childishly ignorant bully who can't control himself on the
    net.

    Once Rudy infests a thread, it's dead.
    I consider this thread dead as a result of the super troll disease of Rudy.

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  • From Marion@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Aug 10 09:11:31 2025
    Subject: Re: What determines which monitor a window or program GUI will pop up on?

    On Sat, 09 Aug 2025 17:42:21 +0100, Peter Johnson wrote :


    Is there a Windows setting or logic that controls which monitor >>applications pop up on?

    There probably isn't any user controllable 'setting or logic' but I
    have a triple monitor setup and my programs open on the same screen
    they were closed on.

    The goal is to seek a Windows setting controlling window locations.

    Thanks for letting me know that you have a triple-monitor setup, which is
    even more complex than the dual monitor my Nvidia card is capable of, and
    all your programs open up, in any one boot session, on the last monitor.

    I just opened the Tor browser on Monitor 1, and then moved it to Monitor 2,
    and then closed it on Monitor 2, and then opened it up again from the icon.
    It opened up the second time on Monitor 2, just like in your experience.

    But I opened up CoPilot from the taskbar icon on Monitor 1 and moved it to Monitor 2 and closed it, and when re-opened, it was back on Monitor 1,
    which is very much unlike your experience (and more akin to that of mine).

    What happens when YOU open up CoPilot on Windows using the icon-creation
    a. Right-click on your desktop and choose New > Shortcut
    b. In the location field, enter: https://copilot.microsoft.com
    c. Click Next, name it 'Copilot' and click Finish
    d. Right-click the desktop shortcut and choose Pin to taskbar
    e. If desired, change the icon by Properties > Change Icon

    And then there's my command window (Runbox > cmd), which *always* opens on Monitor 2 no matter where it was opened, because of the global settings for
    the command window in the right-click properties popup dialog form of...
    Options > Cursor Size = Medium
    Font > 36 > CourierNew
    Layout > Window Size > Width > 95, Height > 28
    Layout > Window Position > Left > 1993, Top > 10
    Layout > [_]Let system position windows (is unchecked!)

    Notice that last option above is what I was wondering if Windows has.
    Is there a "system" setting for where a Window will pop up next?

    The reason I ask is
    A. Some windows open up where they were last closed in any given session
    B. Yet, some windows open up in the same monitor no matter the session
    C. And others are set by Windows system settings where they open up

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  • From R.Wieser@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Aug 10 16:28:34 2025
    Subject: Re: What determines which monitor a window or program GUI will pop up on?

    Arlen,

    BTW, I don't see anything from the super troll Rudy Wieser ...
    he's mischaracterizing my privacy goals.

    I'm not even going to ask you to quote where I did.

    Kiddo, you are the greatest of kings in regard to making claims of truth,
    but are the poorest of beggars in regard to supporting them with anything.

    Some windows behave just like you'd expect them to.

    Still no idea - or could not care less - that folders and applications are handled differently I see.

    Only an ignorant super troll like Rudy Wieser is would infest
    any thread just for his own gleeful sadistic purpose of posting
    endless garbage.

    [quote=me]
    He .. has a rather noticable style of ... dealing with replies he doesn't like.
    [/quote]

    Thanks for showing a prime example of what I described you have a habit of doing. :-)

    Once Rudy infests a thread, it's dead.
    I consider this thread dead as a result of the super troll
    disease of Rudy.

    You should have considered the same for your "What's the actual *advantage*
    of not having an sd slot?" subject in comp.mobile.android. My 'what exactly are you talking about?' reply was the first in it.

    But no, you just *had* to keep dumping your unsupported "facts" and try to trash a number of other people which where also not agreeing with you.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser



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  • From R.Wieser@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Aug 10 16:44:04 2025
    Subject: Re: What determines which monitor a window or program GUI will pop up on?

    Arlen,

    The goal is to seek a Windows setting controlling window locations.

    To cut yet another thread filled with "I want it to exist, and I demand you guys to tell me where" subject short :

    There is none.

    And you could have realized that, as you have mentioned third-party programs like DisplayFusion and UltraMon for that purpose yourself.

    Basic logic : why would such programs exist if the OS already has it
    build-in ?

    Hmmm... The above is quite of a thread-killer contribution I made, isn't it
    ? :-)

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser



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  • From Marion@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Aug 10 17:55:34 2025
    Subject: Re: What determines which monitor a window or program GUI will pop up on?

    On Sat, 9 Aug 2025 23:11:31 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :

    The reason I ask is
    A. Some windows open up where they were last closed in any given session
    B. Yet, some windows open up in the same monitor no matter the session
    C. And others are set by Windows system settings where they open up

    To continue to add value to the topic, I found out that Windows 11
    has a setting for almost exactly what I'm asking for on Windows 10.

    Win11: Settings > System > Display > Multiple Displays
    [x] Remember window locations based on monitor connection

    However, on Windows 10, there are registry keys that influence layout.
    But only for certain apps, like the Registry Editor itself.
    HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Applets\Regedit
    LastKey: Stores the last opened registry path.
    View: Stores layout view settings.
    Or for the StartMenu Layout:
    HKCU\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\CloudStore\Store\Cache\DefaultAccount$de${GUID}$start.tilegrid$windows.data.curatedtilecollection.tilecollection\Current

    Apparently for Windows 10, most third-party and system apps store their
    window positions in proprietary ways where some are in the registry,
    others in config files. Windows itself doesn't appear to offer a
    universal registry key to control where all windows open.

    What's left are the common third-party utilities like:
    DisplayFusion
    Actual Window Manager
    MultiMonitorTool (by NirSoft)
    Group Policy Editor (for enterprise-level layout control)

    Since my Windows 10 is Windows 10 Pro, it has the group policy editor. Unfortunately, Group Policy Editor does not offer a built-in setting
    to force all windows or apps to open on a specific monitor.

    In digging about, I found out the behavior is DIFFERENT for
    windows which are resized on a monitor versus maximized.
    When a window is maximized, Windows stores it as maximized
    rather than saving its exact position and size.

    However, if we manually resize and move a window,
    Windows stores X/Y coordinates (screen position), Width/height
    and Monitor ID (in some cases), which increases the chance
    that the app will reopen in the same spot on the same monitor.

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  • From Marion@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Aug 10 17:58:02 2025
    Subject: Re: What determines which monitor a window or program GUI will pop up on?

    On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 07:55:34 -0000 (UTC), Marion wrote :


    To continue to add value to the topic, I found out that Windows 11
    has a setting for almost exactly what I'm asking for on Windows 10.

    Win11: Settings > System > Display > Multiple Displays
    [x] Remember window locations based on monitor connection

    Can someone on Windows 11 test this native Windows-11 setting to
    let the team know how well it works in a multi-monitor configuration?

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  • From R.Wieser@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Aug 10 18:51:42 2025
    Subject: Re: What determines which monitor a window or program GUI will pop up on?

    Arlen,

    I found out that Windows 11 has a setting for almost exactly
    what I'm asking for on Windows 10.

    Suggestion: Next time google *before* you think of posting a question.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser



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  • From Daniel70@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Aug 10 20:24:01 2025
    Subject: Re: What determines which monitor a window or program GUI will pop up
    on?

    On 10/08/2025 9:11 am, Marion wrote:
    On Sat, 09 Aug 2025 17:42:21 +0100, Peter Johnson wrote :


    Is there a Windows setting or logic that controls which monitor
    applications pop up on?

    There probably isn't any user controllable 'setting or logic' but I
    have a triple monitor setup and my programs open on the same screen
    they were closed on.

    The goal is to seek a Windows setting controlling window locations.

    Thanks for letting me know that you have a triple-monitor setup, which is even more complex than the dual monitor my Nvidia card is capable of, and
    all your programs open up, in any one boot session, on the last monitor.

    I just opened the Tor browser on Monitor 1, and then moved it to Monitor 2, and then closed it on Monitor 2, and then opened it up again from the icon. It opened up the second time on Monitor 2, just like in your experience.

    But I opened up CoPilot from the taskbar icon on Monitor 1 and moved it to Monitor 2 and closed it, and when re-opened, it was back on Monitor 1,
    which is very much unlike your experience (and more akin to that of mine).

    What happens when YOU open up CoPilot on Windows using the icon-creation
    a. Right-click on your desktop and choose New > Shortcut
    b. In the location field, enter: https://copilot.microsoft.com
    c. Click Next, name it 'Copilot' and click Finish
    d. Right-click the desktop shortcut and choose Pin to taskbar
    e. If desired, change the icon by Properties > Change Icon

    And then there's my command window (Runbox > cmd), which *always* opens on Monitor 2 no matter where it was opened, because of the global settings for the command window in the right-click properties popup dialog form of...
    Options > Cursor Size = Medium
    Font > 36 > CourierNew
    Layout > Window Size > Width > 95, Height > 28
    Layout > Window Position > Left > 1993, Top > 10
    Layout > [_]Let system position windows (is unchecked!)

    Notice that last option above is what I was wondering if Windows has.
    Is there a "system" setting for where a Window will pop up next?

    The reason I ask is
    A. Some windows open up where they were last closed in any given session
    B. Yet, some windows open up in the same monitor no matter the session
    C. And others are set by Windows system settings where they open up

    Could it be that Windows will ALWAYS open Windows components (like
    Copilot) on the main screen whereas it will let you open other programs
    where you last closed them??
    --
    Daniel70

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  • From R.Wieser@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Aug 10 20:57:38 2025
    Subject: Re: What determines which monitor a window or program GUI will pop up on?

    Daniel70,

    Could it be that Windows will ALWAYS open Windows components (like
    Copilot) on the main screen whereas it will let you open other programs where you last closed them??

    Very possible. Apps can decide for themselves which monitor, location and size they will (re)-open.

    Some programs will even (try to) detect if they are not (wholly) visible (moved off-screen by mistake and than closed, or on a monitor which is currently not active), and reposition themselves.

    Other apps will allow you to select your preferred action.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser



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  • From R.Wieser@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Aug 10 21:41:29 2025
    Subject: Re: What determines which monitor a window or program GUI will pop up on?

    J.P. ,

    To be fair ... I've come across _lots_ of "utilities" - both free and
    even
    paid for! - which do things the OS already can.

    True. I've even written a few of them myself - just to see if I could (including one which causes browser windows to appear at a certain place in
    a certain size).

    But in this case it was about locking folder and/or application windows in place using an OS supplied setting. The only thing such an "utility" would have needed to do is to change the apropriate registry setting(s). Which could have been as easy as supplying a .REG file. :-)

    .... Unless the utility gives some options the OS setting would not have ofcourse.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser



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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Aug 10 21:42:04 2025
    Subject: Re: What determines which monitor a window or program GUI will pop up
    on?

    On 2025-08-09 13:26, Daniel70 wrote:
    On 9/08/2025 9:06 pm, R.Wieser wrote:
    Daniel70,
    ....>> But this is Arlen (marion)

    "Arlen" <=> "Marion"?? Really?? I hadn't made that connection. ;-( Not
    that I go looking for such connection, I just try to help.

    He is, absolutely.


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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/280.2 to All on Sun Aug 10 21:47:38 2025
    Subject: Re: What determines which monitor a window or program GUI will pop up
    on?

    On 2025-08-10 12:57, R.Wieser wrote:
    Daniel70,

    Could it be that Windows will ALWAYS open Windows components (like
    Copilot) on the main screen whereas it will let you open other programs
    where you last closed them??

    Very possible. Apps can decide for themselves which monitor, location and size they will (re)-open.

    Some programs will even (try to) detect if they are not (wholly) visible (moved off-screen by mistake and than closed, or on a monitor which is currently not active), and reposition themselves.

    Other apps will allow you to select your preferred action.

    Some apps try to recall where they were running the previous time and
    will try to restore that status. Others start fresh. In some apps this
    is configurable.

    When they start fresh, some will have their own logic, and others will
    use whatever Windows chooses for them. Or rather, what the
    toolset/runtime they were built with and Windows does.

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  • From R.Wieser@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Aug 11 00:20:11 2025
    Subject: Re: What determines which monitor a window or program GUI will pop up on?

    Carlos,

    ... others will use whatever Windows chooses for them. Or rather, what the toolset/runtime they were built with and Windows does.

    Allmost. Providing the value 0x8000 for X and Y positions will tell Windows to pick a spot.

    But yes, the toolset/runtime can also insert/do its own stuff ofcourse.

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser



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  • From Marion@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Aug 11 04:06:29 2025
    Subject: Re: What determines which monitor a window or program GUI will pop up on?

    On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 12:19:44 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote :


    To be fair (and I hesitate to, where Arlen/Marion/whatever-this-week is concerned, but this is a general principle): I've come across _lots_ of "utilities" - both free and even paid for! - which do things the OS
    already can (_sometimes_ in a slightly easier fashion, but not
    infrequently not even that).--

    Responding to the super troll Rudy Wieser is *always* off topic.
    It's what sadistic super trolls like Rudy Wieser love to do.

    Rudy is all about sadistically knocking every thread off topic.
    Then he provokes his own pissing contest created of his own idiocy.

    Hence, I didn't want to respond to Rudy's idiotic claim that just because
    an app exists means Windows can't do it natively. Once the super troll Rudy Wieser infests a thread, the post count multiples exponentially with his
    crap.

    The presence of an app doesn't mean Windows can't do it.

    Take screenshot apps, for example.
    People even *purchase* screenshot apps.
    Yet, Windows comes with a screenshot capability.

    The classic example is "Windows Classic" by the way.
    The Windows XP menu *never* left Windows 10.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/D0J1tgDZ/windows-tweak.jpg>

    But people think the Windows XP start menu wasn't on Windows 10.
    Because it was hidden.

    And yet, I literally *copied* my Windows XP menus over to Windows 10.
    And the cascade pullout taskbar XP menu works just fine on Windows 10.
    Without even changing most of the paths!

    They're still working just fine.
    Ten, or fifteen years later.
    <https://i.postimg.cc/j5K0RL7H/taskbarmenu01.jpg>

    My point is simply that Rudy's claim because an app exists, that means
    Windows lacks the capability - which is not even close to being true.

    I won't respond to Rudy because he's a super troll - the worst kind.
    Once Rudy Wieser infests a thread, there is no point in continuing.

    If you respond to his trolls, he'll stalk you like a sadistic predator. Forever.

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  • From Marion@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Aug 11 04:13:16 2025
    Subject: Re: What determines which monitor a window or program GUI will pop up on?

    On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 20:24:01 +1000, Daniel70 wrote :


    A. Some windows open up where they were last closed in any given session >> B. Yet, some windows open up in the same monitor no matter the session
    C. And others are set by Windows system settings where they open up

    Could it be that Windows will ALWAYS open Windows components (like
    Copilot) on the main screen whereas it will let you open other programs where you last closed them??

    Thanks for being constructive on this fundamental Windows 10 question.

    I found out by deep digging that Windows 11 has a new global setting...
    Win11: Settings > System > Display > Multiple Displays
    [x] Remember window locations based on monitor connection

    But, unfortunately, in Windows 10, each and every application does it the
    way it's designed to do it. Which can be different depending on the app.

    Even that is capricious in that it does different things based on whether
    you resize the window after opening it versus if you make it full size.

    And even that is flaky in that some window opening locations are controlled inside the app (such as the common DOS "cmd" window), and yet others are controlled by the registry (believe it or not, such as where the registry editing "regedit" window opens).

    Others open up where you last left them as long as you only resized them
    and didn't full-size them, but others, like the CoPilot window in my case,
    open up always on the main monitor (which I proved by the test below).

    1. Open up copilot shortcut (mine pops up on the main monitor).
    2. Move it to the second monitor, resize, and close.
    3. Open it up again from the taskbar menu shortcut.
    4. Drat. It opens up back on the main monitor.

    Now try that same sequence but between step 2 and 3, change the definition
    of the main monitor (so now the secondary monitory is the main monitor).

    Guess where it opens up!

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  • From R.Wieser@3:633/280.2 to All on Mon Aug 11 17:36:39 2025
    Subject: Re: What determines which monitor a window or program GUI will pop up on?

    Arlen,

    Rudy is all about sadistically knocking every thread off topic.
    Then he provokes his own pissing contest created of his own idiocy.

    Hmm, hmmm. Funny that only in your next contribution to this thread you
    show some awareness of what I've been posting al along, culminating in the
    one a number of hours ago. Yes, an apps placement is fully under the apps control - and has been at least since Win 95.

    You know, I could easily conclude that you learned from my posts, and are
    now presenting it as the result of your own hard work ...

    Hence, I didn't want to respond to Rudy's idiotic claim that just because
    an app exists means Windows can't do it natively.

    I will again not ask you to quote where I said that - or even hinted at it.

    Its, as so often, an attempt at some mud-slinging in a fire-and-forget fashion.

    And by the way, don't you think its (again) funny that you posted a question where everything was about file browser windows and apps only introduced in the last line of it (as an after thought?), and now all you are talking
    about is apps ? What happened to those file-browser windows ?

    Kiddo, I'm quite convinced that your apps (and file-browser windows?)
    jumping from one screen to another is a PEBKAC problem. You could do worse than to try to figure out what /you/ do (or have done, including installing software you totally forgot about) that causes it.

    Also, Peter Johnson. His 'puter works fine. Why doesn't yours ?

    Furthermore: That you claim that apps are jumping around from screen to
    screen is rather unbelievable - as, as you just found out, the placement of apps is upto themselves, and the chance that all of them start to
    malfunction in the same way is pretty-much, if not totally, zero.

    Than again, any sufficiently advanced technology* is indistinguishable from magic^wthe computer having a bug. :-)

    * and for some people that bar is placed rather low. Even for people who
    claim to be an engeneer. :-)

    Regards,
    Rudy Wieser

    P.s.
    I think you have noticed by now that that

    "> Win11: Settings > System > Display > Multiple Displays
    [x] Remember window locations based on monitor connection"

    doesn't quite do what you thought it would. ... which you could have known
    if you would have googled for what the setting actually does.

    And why is it always *we* have to do your checking for you, and than report back to that "team" (of just one) of yours ?




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  • From Marion@3:633/280.2 to All on Tue Aug 12 00:59:04 2025
    Subject: Re: What determines which monitor a window or program GUI will pop up on?

    On Mon, 11 Aug 2025 14:01:25 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote :


    it'll save your blood pressure!

    Always striving to add value in every post, here are apparently the best
    window managers for those who want Windows 10 windows to pop up on a
    specific monitor (note that Windows 11 doesn't need these managers).

    Windows 11 has a dual-monitor native setup which Windows 10 lacks.
    Win11: Settings > System > Display > Multiple Displays
    [x] Remember window locations based on monitor connection

    However, for Windows 10, these multi-monitor tools are available.

    1. Dual Monitor Tools
    Hotkeys to move windows between screens
    Mouse control and wallpaper management
    Free and open-source, ad-free
    <https://dualmonitortool.sourceforge.net/>

    2. Microsoft PowerToys (FancyZones)
    Create custom zones for snapping windows
    Works well across multiple monitors
    Free and open-source, ad-free
    <https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/powertoys/fancyzones>

    3. DisplayFusion
    Advanced customization for window placement
    Multi-monitor taskbars and wallpapers
    Window position profiles and macros
    Freemium: Free version available, 30-day Pro trial included
    <https://www.displayfusion.com/Features/WindowManagement/>

    4. SmartWindows
    Automatically restores window layouts across monitors
    Supports up to 6 monitors
    Great for productivity and session recovery
    Freemium: Free version with basic features, paid plans available
    <https://smartwindows.app/>

    5. UltraMon
    Adds taskbars to secondary monitors
    Display mirroring and shortcuts
    Trialware: 30-day free trial, then paid license required
    <https://www.realtimesoft.com/ultramon/overview/>

    Note this would have been a decent reference thread had the cockroaches Gilliver & Wieser not infested it with their always-off-topic garbage.

    All they can do, is troll. Never can they add value.
    Once these super trolls Gilliver & Wieser infest a thread, it's dead.

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