The Windows PC dictation facility is handy. But it has one serious flaw
IMO. After using the KB shortcut Win+H, the microphone icon stays
listening for a mere 10 seconds. A pause for anything longer, and you
have to start it again with a double mouse click on the microphone icon.
In contrast, no such design limitation on my iPhone. There you just
toggle it on, dictate for as long as you want, and toggle it off.
I haven't so far found a way to extend this by any method on the PC.
Seems a long standing issue. Anyone else had success?
Terry
On Wed, 6/11/2025 5:35 PM, Terry Pinnell wrote:
The Windows PC dictation facility is handy. But it has one serious flaw
IMO. After using the KB shortcut Win+H, the microphone icon stays
listening for a mere 10 seconds. A pause for anything longer, and you
have to start it again with a double mouse click on the microphone icon.
In contrast, no such design limitation on my iPhone. There you just
toggle it on, dictate for as long as you want, and toggle it off.
I haven't so far found a way to extend this by any method on the PC.
Seems a long standing issue. Anyone else had success?
Terry
Metro.Apps have a strange state diagram.
Unless carefully coded, they go to Suspend State when
there is a lack of activity.
This happened to the Groove Music Player, which would
not play your tune through the speakers, if Groove
was iconified.
The Groove Player was eventually fixed, so it could
kinda do as well as WinAMP.
But that's the problem for developers, is the state diagram
for a Metro.App is just silly, and any practical activities
on the computer need additional coding work to behave properly.
No such problem with a Win32 application :-)
And people get these strange stupid ideas in their
head, they're not willing to ever admit they were wrong.
To compound their dishonesty about reality, they draw
the state diagram incorrectly on purpose, not showing
the actual real life cycle properly. Metro Apps *do*
fucking well terminate, and the diagram should have a
stick and ball admitting to that fact. I should not
have to read the accompanying text to discover
"oh, heh, heh, by the way if the system is out of
resources, a suspended Metro.App can be terminated
by the system". You show that in the diagram, you twit.
That's why it is called a State Diagram. It shows *all* the
states and the transitions.
File a bug in the Feedback Hub, and be quick about it if
you expect a fix by October drop dead date.
See also:
https://superuser.com/questions/998748/prevent-metro-apps-which-have-to-maintain-remote-connections-from-closing-when-b
# part of Debugging Tools in the Windows SDK
# exempt an app from the Process Lifetime Management (PLM) policies
plmdebug /enableDebug <PackageFullName> [OptionalDebuggerCommandLine]
I have no idea what practical difference that makes.
This is what happens when you turn a desktop into a phone.
Paul
On Wed, 6/11/2025 5:35 PM, Terry Pinnell wrote:Could you say something? Or is it in dumb dictation mode, such that
The Windows PC dictation facility is handy. But it has one serious flaw
IMO. After using the KB shortcut Win+H, the microphone icon stays
listening for a mere 10 seconds. A pause for anything longer, and you
have to start it again with a double mouse click on the microphone icon.
In contrast, no such design limitation on my iPhone. There you just
toggle it on, dictate for as long as you want, and toggle it off.
I haven't so far found a way to extend this by any method on the PC.
Seems a long standing issue. Anyone else had success?
Terry
Metro.Apps have a strange state diagram.[]
To compound their dishonesty about reality, they draw[]
the state diagram incorrectly on purpose, not showing
the actual real life cycle properly. Metro Apps *do*
fucking well terminate, and the diagram should have a
File a bug in the Feedback Hub, and be quick about it if[]
you expect a fix by October drop dead date.
This is what happens when you turn a desktop into a phone.Yes, the ubiquity of 'phone-thinking is continuously irritating. (For
Paul
On Wed, 6/11/2025 5:35 PM, Terry Pinnell wrote:
The Windows PC dictation facility is handy. But it has one serious flaw
IMO. After using the KB shortcut Win+H, the microphone icon stays
listening for a mere 10 seconds. A pause for anything longer, and you
have to start it again with a double mouse click on the microphone icon.
In contrast, no such design limitation on my iPhone. There you just
toggle it on, dictate for as long as you want, and toggle it off.
I haven't so far found a way to extend this by any method on the PC.
Seems a long standing issue. Anyone else had success?
Terry
Metro.Apps have a strange state diagram.
Paul wrote:
On Wed, 6/11/2025 5:35 PM, Terry Pinnell wrote:
The Windows PC dictation facility is handy. But it has one serious flaw
IMO. After using the KB shortcut Win+H, the microphone icon stays
listening for a mere 10 seconds. A pause for anything longer, and you
have to start it again with a double mouse click on the microphone icon. >>>
In contrast, no such design limitation on my iPhone. There you just
toggle it on, dictate for as long as you want, and toggle it off.
I haven't so far found a way to extend this by any method on the PC.
Seems a long standing issue. Anyone else had success?
Terry
Metro.Apps have a strange state diagram.
The Windows Dictation feature is not a program or an app.
ÿ- it's built into the operating system
Also of note...Win+H will call the feature with or without the presence of a connected microphone. Doing the latter will indicate a microphone is not connected.
If timeout occurs, it can be re-enabled. Design intent for re-enabling, iirc was click or touch the microphone icon in the feature's 'bar'.
The Windows Dictation feature is not a program or an app.
- it's built into the operating system
Also of note...Win+H will call the feature with or without the presence
of a connected microphone. Doing the latter will indicate a microphone
is not connected.
If timeout occurs, it can be re-enabled. Design intent for re-enabling,
iirc was click or touch the microphone icon in the feature's 'bar'.
Paul wrote:
On Wed, 6/11/2025 5:35 PM, Terry Pinnell wrote:
The Windows PC dictation facility is handy. But it has one serious flaw
IMO. After using the KB shortcut Win+H, the microphone icon stays
listening for a mere 10 seconds. A pause for anything longer, and you
have to start it again with a double mouse click on the microphone icon. >>>
In contrast, no such design limitation on my iPhone. There you just
toggle it on, dictate for as long as you want, and toggle it off.
I haven't so far found a way to extend this by any method on the PC.
Seems a long standing issue. Anyone else had success?
Terry
Metro.Apps have a strange state diagram.
The Windows Dictation feature is not a program or an app.
- it's built into the operating system
Also of note...Win+H will call the feature with or without the presence
of a connected microphone. Doing the latter will indicate a microphone
is not connected.
If timeout occurs, it can be re-enabled. Design intent for re-enabling,
iirc was click or touch the microphone icon in the feature's 'bar'.
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Thu, 12 Jun 2025 12:46:53 -0400,
"...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
The Windows Dictation feature is not a program or an app.
- it's built into the operating system
Also of note...Win+H will call the feature with or without the presence
of a connected microphone. Doing the latter will indicate a microphone
is not connected.
I too am impressed with how well it takes my speech and converts it to >properly spelled text. I have two computers running with two keyboards
and it's not possible to touch-type on the top keyboard, so this is a
big help.
If timeout occurs, it can be re-enabled. Design intent for re-enabling, >>iirc was click or touch the microphone icon in the feature's 'bar'.
I don't find the time-out a big problem. Of course I'm only dictating
google search terms most of the time, and they don't take long to say.
I do plan to transcribe my father's trip diary from his 2-month trip in
1936, and the timeouts may be a problem there, but otoh, the cursor
might be in the same place all the time so it will be only another
click.
"...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
The Windows Dictation feature is not a program or an app.
- it's built into the operating system
Also of note...Win+H will call the feature with or without the presence
of a connected microphone. Doing the latter will indicate a microphone
is not connected.
If timeout occurs, it can be re-enabled. Design intent for re-enabling, >>iirc was click or touch the microphone icon in the feature's 'bar'.
It's an otherwise great too that I wish I'd discovered earlier.
My gripe is only that the pause allowed is far too short for most >requirements. In fact it's totally unnecessary IMO. You should be able
to just switch it off when you want. As with iOS on the iPhone or iPad.
My 'thinking time' between paragraphs, sentences, phrases - occasionally
even choosing he right word! - is frequently more than 10s.
Having to be poised with the mouse to relocate and re-click the mic icon
(and wait for it to briefly reinitialise) significantly spoils the
smooth workflow.
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Thu, 12 Jun 2025 12:46:53 -0400,
"...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
The Windows Dictation feature is not a program or an app.
- it's built into the operating system
Also of note...Win+H will call the feature with or without the presence >>>of a connected microphone. Doing the latter will indicate a microphone >>>is not connected.
I too am impressed with how well it takes my speech and converts it to >>properly spelled text. I have two computers running with two keyboards >>and it's not possible to touch-type on the top keyboard, so this is a
big help.
If timeout occurs, it can be re-enabled. Design intent for re-enabling, >>>iirc was click or touch the microphone icon in the feature's 'bar'.
I don't find the time-out a big problem. Of course I'm only dictating >>google search terms most of the time, and they don't take long to say.
I do plan to transcribe my father's trip diary from his 2-month trip in >>1936, and the timeouts may be a problem there, but otoh, the cursor
might be in the same place all the time so it will be only another
click.
See my reply to ...winston. I'd be interested to hear how you get on
with your trip diary.
To help a bit I've just started trying a simple macro I wrote with Macro >Express Pro (MEP). Tapping the fairly convenient Numpad key 7 clicks
once on the mic icon to restart it. Assumes a fixed icon position, of
course, but so far my choice is not too intrusive.
(Unfortunately it needs MEP to be executed, otherwise I'd upload it.
Anyway, easy to reproduce for those with more script know how than me.)
Terry
And fwiw, in Android, it stops recording after, what, 10 seconds? also.
"...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
Paul wrote:
On Wed, 6/11/2025 5:35 PM, Terry Pinnell wrote:
The Windows PC dictation facility is handy. But it has one serious flaw >>>> IMO. After using the KB shortcut Win+H, the microphone icon stays
listening for a mere 10 seconds. A pause for anything longer, and you
have to start it again with a double mouse click on the microphone icon. >>>>
In contrast, no such design limitation on my iPhone. There you just
toggle it on, dictate for as long as you want, and toggle it off.
I haven't so far found a way to extend this by any method on the PC.
Seems a long standing issue. Anyone else had success?
Terry
Metro.Apps have a strange state diagram.
The Windows Dictation feature is not a program or an app.
- it's built into the operating system
Also of note...Win+H will call the feature with or without the presence
of a connected microphone. Doing the latter will indicate a microphone
is not connected.
If timeout occurs, it can be re-enabled. Design intent for re-enabling,
iirc was click or touch the microphone icon in the feature's 'bar'.
It's an otherwise great too that I wish I'd discovered earlier.
My gripe is only that the pause allowed is far too short for most requirements. In fact it's totally unnecessary IMO. You should be able
to just switch it off when you want. As with iOS on the iPhone or iPad.
My 'thinking time' between paragraphs, sentences, phrases - occasionally
even choosing he right word! - is frequently more than 10s.
Having to be poised with the mouse to relocate and re-click the mic icon
(and wait for it to briefly reinitialise) significantly spoils the
smooth workflow.
Terry
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 14 Jun 2025 12:43:24 -0400,
"...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
Windows 10 has another feature
Windows Speech Recognition with a different microphone GUI
Start Menu > Windows Ease of Access
Windows Speech Recognition
Once run(opened) the shortcut Win+Control+S is available.
Different GUI for microphone.
Click the microphone or say Start listening. Can be used in other >>applications(Word, Notepad, etc.)
Hey, thanks, this looks pretty good. I did t he first steps but haven't
used it yet. While you're in the middle of dictating and giving
commands, can you still use the keyboard and mouse to do the same
things?
It's intersting that for microphone, first choice was headset (of
course); second choice was desktop microphone, and third was other, in
some other device. They never mention laptop microphone, or if that is >choice 2 or 3.
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 14 Jun 2025 14:22:51 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 14 Jun 2025 12:43:24 -0400,
"...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
Windows 10 has another feature
Windows Speech Recognition with a different microphone GUI
Start Menu > Windows Ease of Access
BTW, called Accessibilty in my win11
Windows Speech Recognition
Says support is ending and will be removed in future update of win11.
Urges people to use voice access, not capitalized.
That seems to work well so far (3 instructions), but it dawns on me that
I usually have the radio or tv on. It's not on now because there is a marathon of The Partridge Family. So I won't be able to use it all the
time, but there are times when it's worth turning the radio off. Tnx
again.
Another ingredient, is the placement of sound absorbing materials.
If you were sitting in a chair, the can was pointed at you, what's
a remaining problem ? The disturbing noise (which is off axis),
can bounce off the wall behind you, and to the phased array that
looks like "intended signal". a sound absorbing material placed
on the wall behind your chair, could improve the SNR.
Paul
On 2025/6/14 21:1:7, Paul wrote:
[]
Another ingredient, is the placement of sound absorbing materials.And, depending on how serious you are and how worried about how things look: just plain cloth material goes a long way, but for real deadening, something with spikes and cavities as in an anechoic chamber. A cheap alternative is eggbox material - the sort of sheets of material eggs are displayed on in retail (in UK, anyway); I've seen countless studio radio stations, private recording studios, etc., with such material on the walls.
If you were sitting in a chair, the can was pointed at you, what's
a remaining problem ? The disturbing noise (which is off axis),
can bounce off the wall behind you, and to the phased array that
looks like "intended signal". a sound absorbing material placed
on the wall behind your chair, could improve the SNR.
ÿÿÿ Paul
On Wed, 6/18/2025 5:52 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
On 2025/6/14 21:1:7, Paul wrote:
[]
Another ingredient, is the placement of sound absorbing materials.And, depending on how serious you are and how worried about how things look: just plain cloth material goes a long way, but for real deadening, something with spikes and cavities as in an anechoic chamber. A cheap alternative is eggbox material - the sort of sheets of material eggs are displayed on in retail (in UK, anyway); I've seen countless studio radio stations, private recording studios, etc., with such material on the walls.
If you were sitting in a chair, the can was pointed at you, what's
a remaining problem ? The disturbing noise (which is off axis),
can bounce off the wall behind you, and to the phased array that
looks like "intended signal". a sound absorbing material placed
on the wall behind your chair, could improve the SNR.
ÿÿÿ Paul
Our egg crates ("flats"), that was mostly an urban legend
that it works to attenuate sound.
https://www.fromthefarmer.ca/cdn/shop/products/image_9774ff14-e671-4373-9281-505dd3e0a49e.jpg?v=1616193653
My friends brothers rock group used to practice
in the basement of my friends house, and the egg crates
did nothing to control the noise level. The basement walls
still resonated.
This room, as an example, is claimed to be -20dBa or 20dBIt is quite disconcerting being in any such chamber. (We had one which
below human hearing sensitivity. It uses six levels of suspension,
and the air circulation pipes have sound deadening material
in the pipe. You don't want to suffocate in all that silence.
Mom would never hear your rock group practicing in there.
https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/180326154356-orfield01.jpg?q=w_1160,c_fill/f_webp
Paul
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