• Re: Chinese or Realtek; can't connect with wifi

    From Paul@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Feb 28 16:32:57 2025
    On Thu, 2/27/2025 9:49 AM, micky wrote:
    I've been having trouble with with the wifi receiver in my fairly old
    Acer laptop**, but, showing good foresight, years before I had any
    trouble, I bought a USB Wireless LAN card***

    The LAN card is made in China by a company I've never heard of but its
    entry in Device Manage says Realtek. Is it really Realtek? I see that
    name a lot but now I"m not sure it's for real.


    **For a couple years, the wireless would stop working after a couple
    weeks, so I'd connect a cable, then a couple weeks later, that would
    stop working so I'd disconnect it and use wifi. And on in on.
    But in recent months, I used only the cable. Getting ready for a trip
    to see my brother, I unplugged it and the wifi wouldn't connect. I ran
    the troubleshooter and it said it couldn't find the problem, but it
    would Reset and restart windows and that might help, and restarting is a nuisance but each time it did all of that, I worked. Five or 6 times
    until I had sleep or hibernate. Then I had to start over with the troubleshooter. Any idea of how to fix this?.

    ***which may or may not be what's currently connecting versus the
    built-in lan card.


    services.msc : check "WLAN autoconfig" is running

    Yes, RealTek is a major supplier of cheap networking devices.
    A lot of builders use them. This one has two antennas. It has
    a patch antenna on the other side of the PCB. And the rp-SMA
    on the end accepts a screw-on plastic-stick antenna. That makes
    it 2x2 MIMO, at a guess. Apparently the person who bought this,
    paid $10 for it. Since he is taking it apart, I think you know
    how well it works.

    [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/hGjFnbDb/Real-Tek-Wifi-single-chip-two-antennas.jpg

    Intel has also made it a point, to flood the market with "AX" models
    of Wifi devices. The TPLink PCi Express cards I've got, underneath the
    red tinted heatsink is an Intel module. TPLink does not have much work
    to do, to prepare for one of those under their spiffy hidey hole.
    (The heatsink only exists to hide what is underneath.)

    The Intel one could be fitted to your laptop, in the connector
    intended for a Wifi module. (Inside the laptop casing, generally
    two tiny antenna cables which are easy to damage/squash while doing
    the swapout.)

    Some laptop firmwares are set up to reject modules that do not
    meet the requirements of the "branding". But not a lot of laptops
    still do things like that.

    You don't want too aggressive a Wifi module, because of the potential for heat output.

    The antennas run up the back of the panel, the panel can be plastic
    so that the antenna signal escapes the plastic. The number of connectors
    on the adapter card for inside the laptop should match the
    number of antenna cables. Two antenna cables = two connector module.

    The difference with an Intel, is you would get an Intel driver
    for it.

    All of them have to be compliant on channel assignment. When the driver installs, it takes the country it is currently operating in, into account.
    It should not splatter outside the range of frequencies defined
    for unlicensed operation. Maybe the router uses a certain channel
    of a certain width, and then the module uses the same thing. If a channel
    has too many users, you would change the channel.

    On dual band adapters, there is 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz. 5GHz doesn't
    penetrate walls quite as well, but at one time, the band was
    less used. Then there was a tradeoff by selecting such a band.
    And in the case of single chip adapters with the PA stage inside
    the big chip, running the 5GHz PA might be pushing it. Some of the
    single chip solutions, the PA weakens after 3 months.

    The Wifi adapters are adaptive, and they will turn down the PA power
    output, if the device is close to the router. Is that enough to
    "preserve" the chip ? Hard to say.

    It used to be, that the ENUM registry key, housed all the hardware info,
    and deleting it, allowed hardware discovery to start over again.
    This could clean up the driver situation a bit. But it would
    not repair missing things, like if the WLAN autoconfig got
    zapped somehow. A Repair Install can restore the WLAN Autoconfig,
    But Repair installing is unlikely to clean up a really bad driver
    mess made by the user.

    Paul

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  • From wasbit@3:633/280.2 to All on Fri Feb 28 21:18:49 2025
    On 27/02/2025 14:49, micky wrote:
    I've been having trouble with with the wifi receiver in my fairly old
    Acer laptop**, but, showing good foresight, years before I had any
    trouble, I bought a USB Wireless LAN card***

    The LAN card is made in China by a company I've never heard of but its
    entry in Device Manage says Realtek. Is it really Realtek? I see that
    name a lot but now I"m not sure it's for real.


    **For a couple years, the wireless would stop working after a couple
    weeks, so I'd connect a cable, then a couple weeks later, that would
    stop working so I'd disconnect it and use wifi. And on in on.
    But in recent months, I used only the cable. Getting ready for a trip
    to see my brother, I unplugged it and the wifi wouldn't connect. I ran
    the troubleshooter and it said it couldn't find the problem, but it
    would Reset and restart windows and that might help, and restarting is a nuisance but each time it did all of that, I worked. Five or 6 times
    until I had sleep or hibernate. Then I had to start over with the troubleshooter. Any idea of how to fix this?.

    ***which may or may not be what's currently connecting versus the
    built-in lan card.


    If you really have flakey wifi, turn it off & use a USB dongle.


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    Regards
    wasbit

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  • From Marco Moock@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Mar 1 06:00:14 2025
    Am 27.02.2025 09:49 Uhr schrieb micky:

    The LAN card is made in China by a company I've never heard of but its
    entry in Device Manage says Realtek. Is it really Realtek?

    Most likely. They could forge the device ID, but then the driver would
    have trouble operating the chip.

    Realtek is a cheap mass product, but a reliable one.

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    Marco

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  • From Paul@3:633/280.2 to All on Sat Mar 1 07:20:05 2025
    On Fri, 2/28/2025 2:00 PM, Marco Moock wrote:
    Am 27.02.2025 09:49 Uhr schrieb micky:

    The LAN card is made in China by a company I've never heard of but its
    entry in Device Manage says Realtek. Is it really Realtek?

    Most likely. They could forge the device ID, but then the driver would
    have trouble operating the chip.

    Realtek is a cheap mass product, but a reliable one.


    They can make an adapter for $10 retail, with an actual
    RealTek chip inside it (not even an RF metal cover over
    the active circuits). Why would you need to make a fake ?

    Any Wifi without a Bipolar PA after the MAC chip,
    we don't really know how long those will last. The companies
    that make the unreliable ones, certainly don't worry their
    pretty heads about failures. There is an issue with CMOS PAs
    losing the will to live after three months of operation,
    which could be an electromigration failure (high current,
    high temperature, high frequency). I would expect an Intel AX,
    the people making that should have some electromigration
    data to make a judgement on the wisdom of their design.
    Companies which are "fabless", less so.

    It has also been noticed, that the output power level of
    cheap Wifi adapters, seems to vary a bit when they are
    brand new. If you bought two, one would reach the basement
    router, and the other would not. Then, after three months,
    there would be more separation in performance, between
    winners and losers.

    We don't have a lot of sites now, to review these things for us.
    Some useful sites shut down. In one case, the guy doing the
    work, was getting sick of doing it :-) which is the best reason
    to quit, if you need to quit.

    Paul

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