On Aug 1, 6:37 am, McDuseldick <mcduseld...@googlemail.com> wrote:
On 13 Jun., 01:20, postman516 <postman...@aol.com> wrote:
i amOn Jun 12, 7:43 am, KR <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 12, 2:29 pm, postman516 <postman...@aol.com> wrote:
Hello, i just bought an NSM Firebird wallbox that had no manual &=
d thenot happy with the volume i am getting from it. I am using Yamaha bookshelf 8 ohm speakers and have the neg hooked to terminal 0 an=
epos to terminal 5 on each side of the transformer. I would say th=
o doVolume is pretty low and when i try to turn the volume up or down using the volume on the control board it does nothing to help the matter. I also noticed the 3 buttons on the bottom of the box als=
withnot raise or lower the volume. So basically, right now i am stuck=
singa fixed volume. I tried hooking the wires direct to the amp bypas=
newthe transformer but this also did not help. Do you think i need a=
estransformer and would this solve my problem? I see some newer box=
umehave a 7 lug transformer as well. Would that one give me more vol=
thingand would it work in my firebird wall box? Sorry about all the questions but i am not sure what the problem is nor what the transformers function truly is? The guy i bought it from knows no=
Mikeabout the box at all. Thanks for any help regarding this matter! =
ofin FL
The transformers are probably the output transformers for the amplifier. The taps represent wattage
levels, that are used to match speakers (or series/parallel groups =
rspeakers) to the amplifier and avoid overloading it. The transforme=
oo.probably generates a 70v / 100v line for 500 ohm PA type speakers t=
s(these will have a transformer on the back of them with wattage tap=
beon them.)
I doubt that the transformer is a problem, the sound would probably=
hedistorted / overloaded. In other brands, I have NEVER had an output transformer fail on a solid state amp. You can disconnect it from t=
famp and run a speaker direct if you want, just to eliminate it.
The other possibility is blown output stage, this can result in low volumes, but there would be distortion, and probably blown fuses to
the output transistors.
I don't know how the volume control system works on these things. I=
sit is done with buttons, it either drives a motorised pot, (this
should be visibly connected to the amplifier / preamp board) or run=
thevia the CPU or to the amp, and then to a "volume control" IC on the Amplifier Preamp board. it may also run to the amp, and control the volume directly via a special IC.
Either way, something along this chain is broken, you will need a schematic or to identify and look up preamp the IC part numbers on =
e quoted text -web and identify how it all works and deal with it from there.- Hid=
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I have found a wire harness that was cut and left in the box
that has 4 wires in it brown, blue, green and orange. They connect to
the vol up, vol down & the cancel button at the bottom of the box but
i do not see anyplace that they would connect at? I was looking at possibly St-206 on the preamp board as that is open on my box and has four pins. Can anyone take a look at and let me know if i
should have a connector on at St-206 and what order the colors should
be from top to bottom, it would be much appreciated. Thanks alot for
your help! Mike in Fl
P.S. This box is the original firebird & has Es-IV boards in it- Ziti=
where are the pins located to hook up i have the wire but no plug on the en=- Zitierten Text anzeigen -
check out this one
http://www.cdadapter.com/download/nsmcode4.pdf
regards
Ron- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -Mike,
The vol. control in the box connects to the central computer at ST
206. If you had a remote vol. control it would connect to ST 205,
with a 5-wire connection.
As for connections, pin 1 is orange, pin 2 - green, pin 3 - brown and
pin 4 - black. Don't have any Firebirds here, otherwise I'd take a
pic. but still have manuals.
Hope this helps,
Gene
On 2023/03/19 5:38 a.m., slim grossheim wrote:=20te:=20
On Saturday, August 1, 2009 at 9:34:07=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4, angel-care wro=
i am=20On Aug 1, 6:37 am, McDuseldick <mcduseld...@googlemail.com> wrote:=20
On 13 Jun., 01:20, postman516 <postman...@aol.com> wrote:=20
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On Jun 12, 7:43 am, KR <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote:=20=20
=20On Jun 12, 2:29 pm, postman516 <postman...@aol.com> wrote:=20
Hello, i just bought an NSM Firebird wallbox that had no manual & =
=20not happy with the volume i am getting from it. I am using Yamaha=
the=20bookshelf 8 ohm speakers and have the neg hooked to terminal 0 and=
=20pos to terminal 5 on each side of the transformer. I would say the=
=20Volume is pretty low and when i try to turn the volume up or down=
=20using the volume on the control board it does nothing to help the=
do=20matter. I also noticed the 3 buttons on the bottom of the box also=
with=20not raise or lower the volume. So basically, right now i am stuck =
ing=20a fixed volume. I tried hooking the wires direct to the amp bypass=
new=20the transformer but this also did not help. Do you think i need a =
s=20transformer and would this solve my problem? I see some newer boxe=
me=20have a 7 lug transformer as well. Would that one give me more volu=
hing=20and would it work in my firebird wall box? Sorry about all the=20 >>>>>> questions but i am not sure what the problem is nor what the=20
transformers function truly is? The guy i bought it from knows not=
ike=20about the box at all. Thanks for any help regarding this matter! M=
of=20=20in FL=20
The transformers are probably the output transformers for the=20
amplifier. The taps represent wattage=20
levels, that are used to match speakers (or series/parallel groups =
r=20speakers) to the amplifier and avoid overloading it. The transforme=
oo.=20probably generates a 70v / 100v line for 500 ohm PA type speakers t=
s=20(these will have a transformer on the back of them with wattage tap=
be=20=20on them.)=20
I doubt that the transformer is a problem, the sound would probably=
=20distorted / overloaded. In other brands, I have NEVER had an output=
he=20transformer fail on a solid state amp. You can disconnect it from t=
=20amp and run a speaker direct if you want, just to eliminate it.=20 >>>=20
The other possibility is blown output stage, this can result in low=
=20volumes, but there would be distortion, and probably blown fuses to=
f=20=20the output transistors.=20
I don't know how the volume control system works on these things. I=
s=20it is done with buttons, it either drives a motorised pot, (this=20 >>>>> should be visibly connected to the amplifier / preamp board) or run=
=20via the CPU or to the amp, and then to a "volume control" IC on the=
=20Amplifier Preamp board. it may also run to the amp, and control the=
=20=20volume directly via a special IC.=20
Either way, something along this chain is broken, you will need a=
the=20schematic or to identify and look up preamp the IC part numbers on =
e quoted text -=20web and identify how it all works and deal with it from there.- Hid=
o=20=20
=20- Show quoted text -=20
I have found a wire harness that was cut and left in the box=20
that has 4 wires in it brown, blue, green and orange. They connect t=
t=20the vol up, vol down & the cancel button at the bottom of the box bu=
=20i do not see anyplace that they would connect at? I was looking at=
s=20possibly St-206 on the preamp board as that is open on my box and ha=
d=20four pins. Can anyone take a look at and let me know if i=20
should have a connector on at St-206 and what order the colors shoul=
=20be from top to bottom, it would be much appreciated. Thanks alot for=
ierten Text ausblenden -=20your help! Mike in Fl=20=20
P.S. This box is the original firebird & has Es-IV boards in it- Zit=
=20=20Mike,=20
- Zitierten Text anzeigen -=20=20
check out this one=20
=20
http://www.cdadapter.com/download/nsmcode4.pdf=20
=20
regards=20
=20
Ron- Hide quoted text -=20
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- Show quoted text -=20
The vol. control in the box connects to the central computer at ST=20
206. If you had a remote vol. control it would connect to ST 205,=20
with a 5-wire connection.=20
As for connections, pin 1 is orange, pin 2 - green, pin 3 - brown and=
e endpin 4 - black. Don't have any Firebirds here, otherwise I'd take a=20where are the pins located to hook up i have the wire but no plug on th=
pic. but still have manuals.=20
Hope this helps,=20
Gene=20
You aren't likely to get an answer from the OP (Gene) from back in 2009.==20
=20..=20
However I suspect you are looking for a DIN style plug - that was what=20
NSM often used for audio connections including volume controls.=20
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Expand a bit on your particular problem and include the model and=20
exactly what you are looking for if the above is not enough information..=
=20i have a firebird 2 and i have the wires which are hooked at the buttons un= derneath but i dont know where they connect to on the=20
John :-#)#=20
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