whats this talk about evangelists and rust? that fr?

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Re: evangelists? rust?
By: Night_Spider to All on Wed Dec 03 2025 04:45 pm

whats this talk about evangelists and rust? that fr?

Some programming languages & technologies do have "evangelists", and even people who call themselves that (I know of someone who at least used to work for Microsoft as a "tech evangelist"). However, the recent threads about Rust is the first time I've heard about any conspiracy theories about tech evangelists wanting to control things by recommending Rust. I always thought tech evangelists simply liked certain technologies (and usually there are good reasons to like some technologies, as they do have their own advantages).

Nightfox

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Night_Spider wrote to All <=-

whats this talk about evangelists and rust? that fr?

There's a big push by some groups to rewrite key parts (like coreutils) for Linux in Rust.

Now, that's not a big problem. The big problem is that these rewrites are not feature complete, and very buggy (unlike the current C code that has been proven and fixed over many years) and that they want them put into releases NOW.


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Nightfox wrote to Night_Spider <=-

However, the
recent threads about Rust is the first time I've heard about any conspiracy theories about tech evangelists wanting to control things by recommending Rust.

The problem with conspiracy theories today is that most end up being proven true.

But as to why they are pushing Rust, I don't know since I can't read minds.

What I do know is that:
1. Rust itself isn't ready for prime time.
2. The Rust rewrites are incomplete, unproven and buggy. Example: The CloudFlare outage recently.
3. And every reason the Rusties are giving for why they want this is provably false.

I always thought tech evangelists simply liked
certain technologies (and usually there are good reasons to like some technologies, as they do have their own advantages).

Evangelists encourage, demonstrate, and overall, try to prove that they are right with facts and results.

The Rusties aren't "evangelists". They are something else.


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Re: evangelists? rust?
By: Nightfox to Night_Spider on Wed Dec 03 2025 05:23 pm

Well let me try and make this message look nice,
instead of a scrambke of words looking
like a crossword puzzle,

Lulz I thought it meant like evangelism in religion ahahaha
but ive since looked it yp and get the impression an evangelistic tech head
is one who believes their ethos is best and therefore thebfear of rust is probably due to the reckoning that rust wont want to merge with conpetition because oart of widespread ethos might include diminishing the conoetition
in a propagada race i guess.

Ergo you cant trust an evangelistic tech head unless ur interests are aligned.

Better the devil you know.
Night Spider!
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Re: Re: evangelists? rust?
By: Dr. What to Night_Spider on Thu Dec 04 2025 07:44 am

Yeah i get that whybfix something that isnt broken or rather,
why replace something that works, ibsee it that way with these services
unlike the standard stock launchers and so forth and so on,
And i guess it sounds bad to say one ethos trumps another cause
thats the whoke envangelistic view, but yeah i think system should
be harmonic and theres much evidence to prove that
but the world is commerce and commerce cant profit from perfection

its abit like my mum used to say brittish standard was the best engineering even seagull engines were buried in the beaches and still work today,,,, theyre shit but they work,
these 'evangelists' ahah theyll break the backs of everyone else
who could rival them, than commit to a harmony their meant to be endorsing cause thats business and business trumps the heart.

Yeah i wouldnt trust them either, i have a question tho well i was trying to get on dark science so i could speak to the artists of deviant art, why theyve used my name in alot of thyre art since 2018, which i created in 2016 and marvel stole in 2022, so yeah theres no confusion,,, it cone to my attention when i done a check on my name theough an ai, and well apparently my name is used somewhere else ahah by i guess my political opponents i guess for better words, since i hate corruption

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Re: Re: evangelists? rust?
By: Dr. What to Nightfox on Thu Dec 04 2025 07:49 am

The problem with conspiracy theories today is that most end up being proven true.

I imagine some are, but I'm not sure about most. For instance, the Flat Earth conspircy I hear from people who believe in that, we all know is just false. Also I don't really buy into the September 11, 2001 conspiracy theories of being an inside job, but these are whole other discussions..

The Rusties aren't "evangelists". They are something else.

Ah.. I actually haven't really been following much of what's happening with Rust, so I wasn't really aware of people trying to push it before it's ready.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: evangelists? rust?
By: Nightfox to Dr. What on Thu Dec 04 2025 10:57:01

Ah.. I actually haven't really been following much of what's happening with Rust, so I wasn't really aware of people trying to push it before it's ready.

It's a compspiracy. ;)

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