Everything went back together, the fans are quieter, the fan that would stop working momentarily is working normally, and I didn't break
anything or have screws left over!

I know the feeling, my old workhorse laptop from twelve years ago had the
same problem with the CPU fan. Then it happened to my firewall box. Then it happened to my cloud server. Then...

Feels good doesn't it.

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calcmandan wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Everything went back together, the fans are quieter, the fan that would stop working momentarily is working normally, and I didn't break
anything or have screws left over!

I know the feeling, my old workhorse laptop from twelve years ago had
the same problem with the CPU fan. Then it happened to my firewall box. Then it happened to my cloud server. Then...

Feels good doesn't it.

It feels good not tossing out old hardware; old hardware, with a little
bit of maintenance here and there seems to last longer.




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Re: Re: How far I've come...
By: poindexter FORTRAN to calcmandan on Sun Feb 26 2023 07:56 am

calcmandan wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Everything went back together, the fans are quieter, the fan that would stop working momentarily is working normally, and I didn't break anything or have screws left over!

I know the feeling, my old workhorse laptop from twelve years ago had the same problem with the CPU fan. Then it happened to my firewall box. Then it happened to my cloud server. Then...

Feels good doesn't it.

It feels good not tossing out old hardware; old hardware, with a little
bit of maintenance here and there seems to last longer.

more energy consumption. it's better to get rid of the old shit
and slim it all down.
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Re: Re: How far I've come...
By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Feb 26 2023 06:46 pm

more energy consumption. it's better to get rid of the old shit
and slim it all down.

You'd be surprised sometimes.

If your computers work under medium to heavy load, there is a point past which it makes a lot of sense to ditch old hardware and replace it with new one. However, under lightweight load, it would take ages to save enough power to justify replacing an old computer worth 40 bucks for one worth 200.

Something similar happens with incandescent bulbs. If you don't use the lighbulb that much, it does not make sense to replace it with a low-cunsuption lightsource. You won't recoup the cost of switching with the power savings.

Specially if you are $me and have solar electricity for 96% of the year XD

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Re: Re: How far I've come...
By: Arelor to MRO on Mon Feb 27 2023 09:19 am

Re: Re: How far I've come...
By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Feb 26 2023 06:46 pm

more energy consumption. it's better to get rid of the old shit
and slim it all down.

You'd be surprised sometimes.

If your computers work under medium to heavy load, there is a point past which it makes a lot of sense to ditch old hardware and replace it with new one. However, under lightweight load, it would take ages to save enough power to justify replacing an old computer worth 40 bucks for one worth 200.

no i'm not surprised. i used to have a house full of computers running and now i have one in my bedroom and one running downstairs as a media center.

i have a killowat and i've seen the difference.

anyways, it's just better to get rid of that old shit. some people need to stop being fucking hoarders.
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Re: Re: How far I've come...
By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Feb 26 2023 06:46 pm

Re: Re: How far I've come...
By: poindexter FORTRAN to calcmandan on Sun Feb 26 2023 07:56 am

calcmandan wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Everything went back together, the fans are quieter, the fan that wo stop working momentarily is working normally, and I didn't break anything or have screws left over!

I know the feeling, my old workhorse laptop from twelve years ago ha the same problem with the CPU fan. Then it happened to my firewall b Then it happened to my cloud server. Then...

Feels good doesn't it.

It feels good not tossing out old hardware; old hardware, with a little bit of maintenance here and there seems to last longer.

more energy consumption. it's better to get rid of the old shit
and slim it all down.

I've invested in a few single board pc's before the Pi supply dried up, and swapped out some old Pentium 4's for Arm cpu's.

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On 2023-01-28, Arelor <PALANT!Arelor@vert.synchro.net> wrote:

Re: How far I've come...
By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Thu Jan 26 2023 08:47 pm

I don't think we're at the point where china makes cheap junk.

Pretty much this.

China used to be the laughting stock of the world, selling cheap junk which was
good for barely anything. They aren't anymore.

So many foreigner countries helped the Chinesse build their industry to produce
merchandise up to European and American standards that at some point they realized they could use that infrastructure and experience to produce it themselves. If an European clock manufacturer funds a clock factory in china, and sends an European foreman to oversee the production of watches, you will find that factory produces watches under a Chinesse brand when the foreman is not looking, using European standards and the toolchains the Europeans bought for them. It happens in Morocco all the time too.

A contruction engineer I know used to warn us in the early 2010s. "Chinesse construction steel is no longer total junk. They are starting to show up with quality stuff."

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Japan was like that in the 60-70's. Cheap copies everywhere, and in the 80's they managed to surpass the West in a lot of places.

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Re: Re: How far I've come...
By: anthk to All on Thu Jul 06 2023 08:59 am

On 2023-01-28, Arelor <PALANT!Arelor@vert.synchro.net> wrote:

Re: How far I've come...
By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Thu Jan 26 2023 08:47 pm

I don't think we're at the point where china makes cheap junk.

Pretty much this.

China used to be the laughting stock of the world, selling cheap junk whic good for barely anything. They aren't anymore.

So many foreigner countries helped the Chinesse build their industry to pr merchandise up to European and American standards that at some point they realized they could use that infrastructure and experience to produce it themselves. If an European clock manufacturer funds a clock factory in chi and sends an European foreman to oversee the production of watches, you wi find that factory produces watches under a Chinesse brand when the foreman not looking, using European standards and the toolchains the Europeans bou for them. It happens in Morocco all the time too.

A contruction engineer I know used to warn us in the early 2010s. "Chiness construction steel is no longer total junk. They are starting to show up w quality stuff."

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Japan was like that in the 60-70's. Cheap copies everywhere, and in the 80's they managed to surpass the West in a lot of places.

The Japanese mindset towards product development ran off a different schedule than Western mindset regarding time tables. A product may have been rejected in the US because it would 5 years to go from concept to finished project. A Japanese company would be thinking about longer term profitability and think
5 years not being that long to wait.

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