• Re: Gun Insurance

    From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ARELOR on Fri Jul 15 15:06:00 2022
    If I found my school was ruining my life to the point I wanted to die, then setting the school on fire with everybody who I thought was ruining my life inside would look reasonable. Perpretators of school massacres have this tendency to kill themselves as a final act of victory too: they kill themselve
    so society is deprived of the delight of keeping on hurting them.

    The fact there is so much school violence should point out the fact that schools are structured as stressful places in which people is broken past the point of no return. I never see anybody talking about this.

    In the case of the Uvalde school shooter, and some others also, they are
    not students at the school they shoot up. The Uvalde shooter picked a
    school with kids several years younger than he in attendance. I am not
    even sure he was still in school but, if he was, it would have been a high school where kids close to his age attended.


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Sat Jul 16 01:09:00 2022
    Re: Re: Gun Insurance
    By: Dumas Walker to ARELOR on Fri Jul 15 2022 03:06 pm

    If I found my school was ruining my life to the point I wanted to die, the setting the school on fire with everybody who I thought was ruining my lif inside would look reasonable. Perpretators of school massacres have this tendency to kill themselves as a final act of victory too: they kill thems
    so society is deprived of the delight of keeping on hurting them.

    The fact there is so much school violence should point out the fact that schools are structured as stressful places in which people is broken past point of no return. I never see anybody talking about this.

    In the case of the Uvalde school shooter, and some others also, they are
    not students at the school they shoot up. The Uvalde shooter picked a school with kids several years younger than he in attendance. I am not
    even sure he was still in school but, if he was, it would have been a high school where kids close to his age attended.


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    He was in high school. From what I read, he was an outcast with a learning di sability and was picked on and had no friends. He had a frined he used to
    hang out with until the kid's family moved away. He was in his senior year, and the school would place pictures of the seniors on the light poles in
    town. Somehow his picture was left out. He received teasing about that as well. Sounds liek the kid had a shitty time in school, but that only
    explains why he might have snapped, but doesn't excuse it. he proabably
    picked the elementary school because it was an easy target.

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  • From Weatherman@VERT/TLCBBS to Dumas Walker on Sat Jul 16 01:53:00 2022
    Dumas Walker wrote to TRACKER1 <=-

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    Realistically, if they *REALLY* wanted to cut down on gun violence,
    they'd be trying to outlaw handguns, not rifles (AR-15 etc) to begin
    with. The vast majority of gun violence and gun related crimes (armed robbery, etc) is done with a handgun... but those aren't the ones that typically make the headlines and are exceedingly rare.

    Note: this is not an endorsement of the idea, just pointing out the ignorance and hypocrisy.

    Yes, this is true. There are some cities that probably have a "mass shootings" worth of people, and then some, shot and killed each day by handguns.

    Suffice it to say more people are killed by handguns each year than by rifles of any time.

    Suicides account for more firearms related deaths each year than any other. Rifles of any type are seldom utilized in suicide attempts.

    The problem is not the gun. The problem is the cheapening of human life. The cheapening of human life is a direct reflection of the society in which we live.

    Regards....

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  • From Weatherman@VERT/TLCBBS to Dumas Walker on Sat Jul 16 02:00:00 2022
    Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

    Yes, this is true. There are some cities that probably have a
    "mass shootings" worth of people, and then some, shot and killed
    each day by handguns.

    Definitely true. Chicago probably tops that list. The city with the strictest gun laws anywhere. What they forget is that criminals don't
    obey laws.

    I really don't understand how someone like me can explain that to
    someone who seems to be able to follow logic and seems to be resonably intelligent, yet they won't understand it. IMHO, some of them just
    think that guns are scary and we are better off with less of them, but
    the "criminals don't obey laws" logic should be equally as scary.

    The plain and simple truth of the matter is this. Firearms (of ANY type) are inert, inanimate objects. In and of themselves, they are incapable of any actions including actions of criminal and violent intent.

    Placed in the hands of an evil and malevolent individual, guns are capable of being used to commit acts of violence. Then again, placed in the hands of a malevolent individual, fertilizer and kerosene can be used to commit acts of violence. Placed in the hands of a malevolent individual, castor beans can be used to commit acts of violence. Placed in the hands of a malevolent individual a motor vehicle has proven to be able to be used in lethal acts of violence.

    The common thread? The malevolent individual. Perhaps we should concentrate more on the acts and the intent more than the tools that are used...

    Regards...


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  • From Weatherman@VERT/TLCBBS to Gamgee on Sat Jul 16 02:04:00 2022
    Gamgee wrote to Dumas Walker <=-



    I really don't understand how someone like me can explain that to
    someone who seems to be able to follow logic and seems to be
    resonably intelligent, yet they won't understand it. IMHO, some
    of them just think that guns are scary and we are better off with
    less of them, but the "criminals don't obey laws" logic should be
    equally as scary.

    Yes, it should be just as scary. What I honestly think is that those
    who think more gun laws will fix the problem is that they actually are
    NOT interested in fixing the real problem. What they are interested
    in doing is increasing the amount of control that they can have over another group of people. It's really very petty and selfish, but
    that's the actual truth.

    Those who the true power behind the push for gun control laws desire one outcome. They are seeking to disarm the American populace so that they may increase their power and influence over the general population. The Second Amendment is the protector of the entire Bill of Rights. Those who would impose severe gun restrictions upon us are the ones who desire to impose further limits upon our constitutional rights.

    Regards....


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MOONDOG on Sat Jul 16 09:53:00 2022
    He was in high school. From what I read, he was an outcast with a learning di
    sability and was picked on and had no friends. He had a frined he used to hang out with until the kid's family moved away. He was in his senior year, and the school would place pictures of the seniors on the light poles in town. Somehow his picture was left out. He received teasing about that as well. Sounds liek the kid had a shitty time in school, but that only explains why he might have snapped, but doesn't excuse it. he proabably picked the elementary school because it was an easy target.

    You are right, it does not excuse it. However, if I was one of those kids
    that picked on him, I would be rethinking my ways right about now.

    As you point out in another message, even if some of the kids do rethink
    their ways, it probably won't have a lasting affect. :(


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Dumas Walker on Sat Jul 16 12:39:34 2022
    Re: Re: Gun Insurance
    By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Sat Jul 16 2022 09:53 am

    He was in high school. From what I read, he was an outcast with a learning di
    sability and was picked on and had no friends. He had a frined he used to hang out with until the kid's family moved away. He was in his senior year,
    and the school would place pictures of the seniors on the light poles in town. Somehow his picture was left out. He received teasing about that as
    well. Sounds liek the kid had a shitty time in school, but that only explains why he might have snapped, but doesn't excuse it. he proabably picked the elementary school because it was an easy target.

    You are right, it does not excuse it. However, if I was one of those kids that picked on him, I would be rethinking my ways right about now.

    As you point out in another message, even if some of the kids do rethink their ways, it probably won't have a lasting affect. :(


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    The problem with bullying is that it is a tribalistic phenomena. People is known to
    reinforce their identity by attacking people who belongs outside to their own group.
    This is why if somebody at shcool sticks out as different from the rest, it will be
    targetted: the other students will feel a sense of belonging to the classroom by
    picking on a perceived outsider.

    This can also be seen in workplace abuse, in which people with work ethics different
    from the rest of the workers will be picked on. It is usually the peolpe with strong
    work ethics that gets targetted, specially if the rest of the group has poor work
    ethics.

    If the group has clear leaders (and there usually are), the fact one of the leaders
    decides to harass a given individual will be taken by the rest of the people as tacit
    permission to do the same. This is why if the cool kid in the class starts picking on
    somebody, the rest will soon follow.

    Why I am saying this? Because this dynamic makes bullies feel subconsciously justified
    in doing what they do. If they bully a little kid and his bigger brother shows up and
    breaks the bully's face, the bully will feel wronged because he will think the had the
    right to be an asshole. If you can find it, I recommend you to watch that documentary
    about Little Zangief and the aftermath - Little Zangief was a kid who was bullied in
    school, and one day he snaped and broke his bully's leg. When asked if he regreted
    being a bully, the bully said "No." Then he looked past the camera, as if watching
    somebody give him indications, and said "... I mean, yes."

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANT to Weatherman on Sat Jul 16 15:30:00 2022
    Weatherman wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I really don't understand how someone like me can explain that to
    someone who seems to be able to follow logic and seems to be
    resonably intelligent, yet they won't understand it. IMHO, some
    of them just think that guns are scary and we are better off with
    less of them, but the "criminals don't obey laws" logic should be
    equally as scary.

    Yes, it should be just as scary. What I honestly think is that those
    who think more gun laws will fix the problem is that they actually are
    NOT interested in fixing the real problem. What they are interested
    in doing is increasing the amount of control that they can have over another group of people. It's really very petty and selfish, but
    that's the actual truth.

    Those who the true power behind the push for gun control laws
    desire one outcome. They are seeking to disarm the American
    populace so that they may increase their power and influence over
    the general population. The Second Amendment is the protector of
    the entire Bill of Rights. Those who would impose severe gun
    restrictions upon us are the ones who desire to impose further
    limits upon our constitutional rights.

    Yes, full agreement on that. Many of them don't even bother to try and
    hide that fact as their ultimate goal any more.



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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Weatherman on Sat Jul 16 17:11:00 2022
    Re: Re: Gun Insurance
    By: Weatherman to Dumas Walker on Sat Jul 16 2022 01:53 am

    Dumas Walker wrote to TRACKER1 <=-

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    Realistically, if they *REALLY* wanted to cut down on gun violence, they'd be trying to outlaw handguns, not rifles (AR-15 etc) to begin with. The vast majority of gun violence and gun related crimes (armed robbery, etc) is done with a handgun... but those aren't the ones that typically make the headlines and are exceedingly rare.

    Note: this is not an endorsement of the idea, just pointing out the ignorance and hypocrisy.

    Yes, this is true. There are some cities that probably have a "mass shootings" worth of people, and then some, shot and killed each day by handguns.

    Suffice it to say more people are killed by handguns each year than by rifle of any time.

    Suicides account for more firearms related deaths each year than any other. Rifles of any type are seldom utilized in suicide attempts.

    The problem is not the gun. The problem is the cheapening of human life. T cheapening of human life is a direct reflection of the society in which we live.

    Regards....

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    Agreed. the best way to reduce gun violence is to go after the root of violence. If you take away the guns by themselves, the violent behavior wil continue.

    Handguns are interesting in that most folk are cool with them existing. I forgot which country it was, but the epople feared the militarisation of
    their police, so their police are prohibited from caryr rifles or submachine guns. Instead, their special response teams have pistols mounted in chassis similar to the CAA Roni that give them similar functionality to a rifle or
    sub gun.

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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Sat Jul 16 17:44:00 2022
    Re: Re: Gun Insurance
    By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Sat Jul 16 2022 09:53 am

    He was in high school. From what I read, he was an outcast with a learnin sability and was picked on and had no friends. He had a frined he used to hang out with until the kid's family moved away. He was in his senior yea and the school would place pictures of the seniors on the light poles in town. Somehow his picture was left out. He received teasing about that a well. Sounds liek the kid had a shitty time in school, but that only explains why he might have snapped, but doesn't excuse it. he proabably picked the elementary school because it was an easy target.

    You are right, it does not excuse it. However, if I was one of those kids that picked on him, I would be rethinking my ways right about now.

    As you point out in another message, even if some of the kids do rethink their ways, it probably won't have a lasting affect. :(


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    Along the lines of empathy of students among their peers, I recall there was always someone who had a crush on someone popular, whether it was the
    quiet barely noticable guy in love with cheerleader, or a girl crazy about an athlete or other popular dude. The attraction would vary from a quiet observation to what i refer to as stalker crushes, where they either try to find ways of initiazting contact or even worse, write long crazy letters
    about how they were destined to be together. One summer I was hanging out
    with a friend who had transferred from another school system, and he had a friend with him. I had mentioned how early in the day I went to a family reunion, and they asked if ther were any of my cousins they might've know at the other school. One of my cousins was the head cheerleader/ homecoming
    queen type, and it turned out my buddy's friend had one of those stalker crushes which ended terribly because a letter he write wasn't taken kindly.

    His friend became withdrawn and wouldn't even look at me. I wanted to ask for more details, but my firend said it was better to let sleeping dogs lay. I
    get the impression the response was devastating, and the dude went into
    serious depression over the rejection. The due wasn't ugly or creepy at all.
    He and my cousin had nothing in common and rolled with different cliques thaot didn't interact.

    My sister had her share of creepy stalker dudes that would come by the house looking for her. Some were harmless, but others had a serial killer vibe
    going on. The easiest way to get them to leave was tell them she is at her friend's house - the friend whose father was a state trooper. I'm not sure
    of my sister would've felt any sadness if something bad happened to them back then. She is a different person now, and I think she likes the attention. i noticed after I joined Facebook, she began friending several of my friends
    she would've never given the time of day to. Several were brothers and
    sisters of existing friends.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to WEATHERMAN on Sun Jul 17 08:07:00 2022
    The problem is not the gun. The problem is the cheapening of human life. The
    cheapening of human life is a direct reflection of the society in which we live.

    Agreed.


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Sun Jul 17 22:48:00 2022
    Re: Re: Gun Insurance
    By: Dumas Walker to WEATHERMAN on Sun Jul 17 2022 08:07 am

    The problem is not the gun. The problem is the cheapening of human life. cheapening of human life is a direct reflection of the society in which we live.

    Agreed.


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    Agreedx2.

    A few weeks ago on a Facebook thread I cited an article from about 10 years ag o a local 8 year old killed his 4 year old brother over the last bowl of cereal left in the box. A commenter said "boys will be boys," as if this was acceptable behavior. Not in my parent's house. Not in my neighborhood would something like that happen.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MOONDOG on Mon Jul 18 15:56:00 2022
    A few weeks ago on a Facebook thread I cited an article from about 10 years ag
    o a local 8 year old killed his 4 year old brother over the last bowl of cereal left in the box. A commenter said "boys will be boys," as if this was acceptable behavior. Not in my parent's house. Not in my neighborhood would something like that happen.

    That is a rather callous, desensitized reaction that commenter had, assuming
    it was not sarcasm. My parents would not have put up with violent,
    agressive behavior, either.


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Tue Jul 19 14:02:00 2022
    Re: Re: Gun Insurance
    By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Mon Jul 18 2022 03:56 pm

    A few weeks ago on a Facebook thread I cited an article from about 10 year o a local 8 year old killed his 4 year old brother over the last bowl of cereal left in the box. A commenter said "boys will be boys," as if this acceptable behavior. Not in my parent's house. Not in my neighborhood wo something like that happen.

    That is a rather callous, desensitized reaction that commenter had, assuming it was not sarcasm. My parents would not have put up with violent, agressive behavior, either.


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    The commenter also tried to justify it by saying kids have so much violent energy that is suppressed, all young boys are time bombs. I think that was also directed by the race of the children, which was black. That's BS. Children may have a level of cruelty based on immaturity, but disregard for life like that has to be observed or taught. I have no idea if these kids
    come from a violent home or were abused, or if domestic abuse was present. That is not behavior anyone I ever grew up with ever displayed.

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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/FINALZON to Belly on Thu Jan 5 11:27:00 2023
    Belly wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    Re: Re: Gun Insurance
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to DR. WHAT on Sun Jun 26 2022 01:51 pm

    Hi, Jimmy... I think we might know one another in RL.

    o
    (O)
    BeLLy

    Hey there! Please, how? :-)

    BTW - I normally sign into another BBS, but it's been down, and
    I've been waiting for it to come back. Seeing as it's uncertain
    when it will (or if), I've decided today to look at others that
    I've tried in the past, just to check up on echomail...




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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/FINALZON to Dumas Walker on Thu Jan 5 12:58:00 2023
    Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

    Yes, this is true. There are some cities that probably have a
    "mass shootings" worth of people, and then some, shot and killed
    each day by handguns.

    Definitely true. Chicago probably tops that list. The city with the strictest gun laws anywhere. What they forget is that criminals don't
    obey laws.

    I really don't understand how someone like me can explain that to
    someone who seems to be able to follow logic and seems to be resonably intelligent, yet they won't understand it. IMHO, some of them just
    think that guns are scary and we are better off with less of them, but
    the "criminals don't obey laws" logic should be equally as scary.

    Yeah - don't get me wrong, I enjoy owning and shooting guns and have
    ZERO intentions of every putting a round into ANYONE, but at the same
    time I carry with the intent of self defense.

    BUT - I had a friend say something to the effect of "I don't like
    guns - they were designed to kill - I'd rather there not be
    any guns" and I honestly agreed with him! If it would prevent
    people from hurting other people? I'd be all for it! But making
    MY guns illegal while not removing ALL guns (bad guys, military,
    our government, other governments) is not the answer. That just
    creates a defenseless target...






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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/FINALZON to Moondog on Thu Jan 5 13:02:00 2023
    Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-

    The real problem is mental health, and the fact that so many are not
    able to get treatment for their issues.

    It goes well beyond mental health. Crazy people are a minority of shooters when compared to organized crime and gang murders. What
    happened to the beliefs that life has value?

    THIS! Yes, mental health is AN issue, but not THE issue. When there
    is no santity of life, then ANY life is forfeit.

    I am a Christian and I believe we are all created in His image. As
    image bearers, we have value. If we really were just 'apes in skin'
    as evolutionists would have you believe, then what's wrong with the
    strong eating the weak?

    Life is precious! From the unborn up!




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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/FINALZON to Arelor on Thu Jan 5 13:04:00 2023
    Arelor wrote to Dumas Walker <=-


    The fact there is so much school violence should point out the fact
    that schools are structured as stressful places in which people is
    broken past the point of no return. I never see anybody talking about this.

    In my (not so) humble opinion, when I was a kid we didn't have school shootings. What we DID have was the 10 commandments on the wall,
    corporal punishment, the Gideons bringing New Testaments to everyone
    in Fifth Grade...

    We removed those things and now look what we have...




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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/FINALZON to Moondog on Thu Jan 5 13:07:00 2023
    Moondog wrote to Arelor <=-

    While I hated being treated like crap by bullies, I never had thoughts
    of killing anyone. Coming back later in life and making them miserable sounded more fun.

    For me, I was bullied as well, and I finally had enough and 'stood up'
    for myself. But it was a fight - I had no intentions of really hurting
    the guy - I just wanted the bullying to stop. No way did I ever consider
    taking anyone's life!

    Now that I'm a Christian, I feel bad about people I held a grudge against
    for the bullying and abuse, and have actually come to terms with it in the sense that my failure to forgive was hurting ME, not them...

    I actually blogged about it too...

    https://jimmylogan.substack.com/p/forgive



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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/FINALZON to Moondog on Thu Jan 5 13:08:00 2023
    Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-


    Going out in a blaze of "glory" garners way more attention. Leave
    behind a note or a manifesto, and it will be on the news regardless how poorly written or illogical it is.

    Bonnie and Clyde? They still talk about them!



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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/FINALZON to Weatherman on Thu Jan 5 13:10:00 2023
    Weatherman wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    Yes, this is true. There are some cities that probably have a "mass shootings" worth of people, and then some, shot and killed each day by handguns.

    Suffice it to say more people are killed by handguns each year than by rifles of any time.

    Suicides account for more firearms related deaths each year than any other. Rifles of any type are seldom utilized in suicide attempts.

    The problem is not the gun. The problem is the cheapening of human
    life. The cheapening of human life is a direct reflection of the
    society in which we live.

    Agreed! And unless something has changed, more people are killed each
    year by 'fist and foot' than guns anyway...




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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to JIMMY ANDERSON on Fri Jan 6 16:53:00 2023
    BUT - I had a friend say something to the effect of "I don't like
    guns - they were designed to kill - I'd rather there not be
    any guns" and I honestly agreed with him! If it would prevent
    people from hurting other people? I'd be all for it! But making
    MY guns illegal while not removing ALL guns (bad guys, military,
    our government, other governments) is not the answer. That just
    creates a defenseless target...

    Indeed it does.

    There are some science fiction pieces that tell cautionary tales about societies giving up their guns, including the militaries of the planet,
    only to be invaded by armed visitors from other planets. :)

    Mike


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  • From Weatherman@VERT/TLCBBS to Jimmy Anderson on Mon Jan 9 02:27:00 2023
    Jimmy Anderson wrote to Weatherman <=-


    Yes, this is true. There are some cities that probably have a "mass shootings" worth of people, and then some, shot and killed each day by handguns.

    Suffice it to say more people are killed by handguns each year than by rifles of any time.

    Suicides account for more firearms related deaths each year than any other. Rifles of any type are seldom utilized in suicide attempts.

    The problem is not the gun. The problem is the cheapening of human
    life. The cheapening of human life is a direct reflection of the
    society in which we live.

    Agreed! And unless something has changed, more people are killed each
    year by 'fist and foot' than guns anyway...

    ... <A>bort <R>etry <D>o what I mean!!!

    Nothing has changed, hand-and-foot still outpaces firearms. And don't forget that the lowly handgun accounts for far more deaths than that scary and deadly-looking AR-15 (or ANY rifle forthat matter).


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to WEATHERMAN on Mon Jan 9 16:18:00 2023
    Nothing has changed, hand-and-foot still outpaces firearms. And don't forget that the lowly handgun accounts for far more deaths than that scary and deadly-looking AR-15 (or ANY rifle forthat matter).

    I have always suspected that they are going after rifles more lately
    because they figured out that their private body guards are more likely to carry a handgun and they don't want to have to give the body guards up.

    "They" in this case being celebrities and politicians.


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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to Dumas Walker on Mon Jan 9 21:54:00 2023
    Re: Re: Gun Insurance
    By: Dumas Walker to WEATHERMAN on Mon Jan 09 2023 04:18 pm

    Nothing has changed, hand-and-foot still outpaces firearms. And don't for that the lowly handgun accounts for far more deaths than that scary and deadly-looking AR-15 (or ANY rifle forthat matter).

    I have always suspected that they are going after rifles more lately
    because they figured out that their private body guards are more likely to carry a handgun and they don't want to have to give the body guards up.

    "They" in this case being celebrities and politicians.


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    The celebrities and politicians with armed guards are elitists, and believe there will be exceptions that will allow their security to carry in airports and other suposed gun-free zones.

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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to DUMAS WALKER on Tue Jan 10 13:19:00 2023
    DUMAS WALKER wrote to WEATHERMAN <=-

    @VIA: CAPCITY2
    @MSGID: <63BC8861.2382.dove-gun@capitolcityonline.net>
    @REPLY: <63BBDEC1.670.dove-firearms@tlcbbs.synchro.net>
    Nothing has changed, hand-and-foot still outpaces firearms. And don't
    forget
    that the lowly handgun accounts for far more deaths than that scary and deadly-looking AR-15 (or ANY rifle forthat matter).

    I have always suspected that they are going after rifles more lately because they figured out that their private body guards are more likely
    to carry a handgun and they don't want to have to give the body guards
    up.

    "They" in this case being celebrities and politicians.

    Well - that, and they have to start somewhere...




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  • From Moondog@VERT/CAVEBBS to JIMMY ANDERSON on Mon Jan 16 15:45:00 2023
    Re: Re: Gun Insurance
    By: JIMMY ANDERSON to DUMAS WALKER on Tue Jan 10 2023 01:19 pm

    DUMAS WALKER wrote to WEATHERMAN <=-

    @VIA: CAPCITY2
    @MSGID: <63BC8861.2382.dove-gun@capitolcityonline.net>
    @REPLY: <63BBDEC1.670.dove-firearms@tlcbbs.synchro.net>
    Nothing has changed, hand-and-foot still outpaces firearms. And don't
    forget
    that the lowly handgun accounts for far more deaths than that scary and deadly-looking AR-15 (or ANY rifle forthat matter).

    I have always suspected that they are going after rifles more lately because they figured out that their private body guards are more likely to carry a handgun and they don't want to have to give the body guards up.

    "They" in this case being celebrities and politicians.

    Well - that, and they have to start somewhere...




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    While creating the National Firearms Act of 1934, a complete ban on handguns was on the list. Other countries followed suit so subjects can only own full length single shot shotgun or single shot rifles. Resistance to a complete handgun ban was very strong. I know anti-gun folks who think owning a
    handgun for home use is fine, while long guns are terrible. If the firearm ne ver left the home, size would not be important. The law being put into effect's emphasis was on concealed firearms carried by criminals, and long gun s being cut down so they could be carried concealed under long coats. Suppressors got thrown in not because gangsters owned them. They were more co ncerned about poachers tresapassing and not getting caught.

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  • From Belly@VERT/BRAZINET to Jimmy Anderson on Sat Feb 18 13:19:10 2023
    Re: Re: Gun Insurance
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Belly on Thu Jan 05 2023 11:27 am

    Hey there! Please, how? :-)

    If WTETA means something to you, then probably... It's been so long now that I don't recall what sparked the connection!


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  • From Jimmy Anderson@VERT/FINALZON to Belly on Thu Mar 9 17:51:00 2023
    Belly wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    Re: Re: Gun Insurance
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Belly on Thu Jan 05 2023 11:27 am

    Hey there! Please, how? :-)

    If WTETA means something to you, then probably... It's been so long now that I don't recall what sparked the connection!

    Yeah - I don't remember the conversation - WTETA to me is West Tennessee Educational Technology Association - I used to be a very active member...




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  • From Belly@VERT/BRAZINET to Jimmy Anderson on Tue May 16 21:33:49 2023
    Re: Re: Gun Insurance
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Belly on Thu Mar 09 2023 05:51 pm

    If WTETA means something to you, then probably... It's been so long now that I don't recall what sparked the connection!

    Yeah - I don't remember the conversation - WTETA to me is West Tennessee Educational Technology Association - I used to be a very active member...

    One and the same... Olympic steak house. I remember you playing guitar at at least one of the picnic meetings.


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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@VERT/OTHETA to BELLY on Mon Jul 17 22:45:00 2023
    BELLY wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    If WTETA means something to you, then probably... It's been so long now that I don't recall what sparked the connection!

    Yeah - I don't remember the conversation - WTETA to me is West Tennessee Educational Technology Association - I used to be a very active member...

    One and the same... Olympic steak house. I remember you playing guitar
    at at least one of the picnic meetings.

    WOW! Figured it was just a coincedence on the acronym!

    Yep, that's me! I still play guitar, but it stays at church most of the time...

    So - Belly - and what BBS are you using? And who exactly are you? I am intrigued! LOL





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