• Re: Rejecting expressions of formal language having pathological self-r

    From olcott@3:633/10 to All on Wed Nov 12 13:11:50 2025
    Subject: Re: Rejecting expressions of formal language having pathological self-reference

    On 11/12/2025 12:46 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
    [ Followup-To: set ]

    In comp.theory olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 11/12/2025 12:12 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:

    In comp.theory olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:

    [ .... ]

    The huge advantages of LLM systems is that they do not
    begin their review on the basis that [Olcott is wrong]
    is an axiom. No humans have ever been able to do this
    in thousands of reviews across dozens of forums.

    The huge disadvantage of LLM systems is that they begin their review on
    the basis that Olcott is right.

    [ .... ]

    For three years reviewers on comp.theory could
    not begin to see that the dumbed down DDD simulated
    by HHH could not possibly reach its own "return"
    statement.

    void DDD()
    {
    HHH(DDD);
    return;
    }

    That's a lie. Everybody here sees that and accepts it.


    Everyone here rejects that the execution trace of
    5 statements of DDD simulated by HHH according to
    the semantics of C is:

    (1) HHH simulates DDD that calls HHH(DDD)
    (2) that simulates DDD that calls HHH(DDD)
    (3) that simulates DDD that calls HHH(DDD)
    (4) that simulates DDD that calls HHH(DDD)
    (5) that simulates DDD that calls HHH(DDD)

    ???

    I will keep comp.lang.c and comp.lang.c++
    in the loop until I get an honest reply
    even if that is never.

    Do you have any reasonably plausible reason for this?

    Trying to debate with you is a waste of time. You assert falsehoods, conflate radically different things, and generally have no regard for the truth and little understanding of the things being discussed.

    Intelligent people do not do this.
    They evaluate what Olcott has written and pronounce it either right or
    (much more usually) wrong.

    --
    Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
    hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer



    --
    Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
    hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From olcott@3:633/10 to All on Wed Nov 12 13:33:32 2025
    Subject: Re: Rejecting expressions of formal language having pathological self-reference

    On 11/12/2025 12:46 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
    [ Followup-To: set ]

    In comp.theory olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 11/12/2025 12:12 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:

    In comp.theory olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:

    [ .... ]

    The huge advantages of LLM systems is that they do not
    begin their review on the basis that [Olcott is wrong]
    is an axiom. No humans have ever been able to do this
    in thousands of reviews across dozens of forums.

    The huge disadvantage of LLM systems is that they begin their review on
    the basis that Olcott is right.

    [ .... ]

    For three years reviewers on comp.theory could
    not begin to see that the dumbed down DDD simulated
    by HHH could not possibly reach its own "return"
    statement.

    void DDD()
    {
    HHH(DDD);
    return;
    }

    That's a lie. Everybody here sees that and accepts it.


    DDD simulated by HHH not DDD executed from main()
    DDD simulated by HHH not DDD executed from main()
    DDD simulated by HHH not DDD executed from main()
    DDD simulated by HHH not DDD executed from main()
    DDD simulated by HHH not DDD executed from main()

    DDD simulated by HHH not DDD executed from main()
    DDD simulated by HHH not DDD executed from main()
    DDD simulated by HHH not DDD executed from main()
    DDD simulated by HHH not DDD executed from main()
    DDD simulated by HHH not DDD executed from main()

    DDD simulated by HHH not DDD executed from main()
    DDD simulated by HHH not DDD executed from main()
    DDD simulated by HHH not DDD executed from main()
    DDD simulated by HHH not DDD executed from main()
    DDD simulated by HHH not DDD executed from main()

    DDD simulated by HHH not DDD executed from main()
    DDD simulated by HHH not DDD executed from main()
    DDD simulated by HHH not DDD executed from main()
    DDD simulated by HHH not DDD executed from main()
    DDD simulated by HHH not DDD executed from main()

    DDD simulated by HHH not DDD executed from main()
    DDD simulated by HHH not DDD executed from main()
    DDD simulated by HHH not DDD executed from main()
    DDD simulated by HHH not DDD executed from main()
    DDD simulated by HHH not DDD executed from main()

    Do you have any reasonably plausible reason for this?

    Trying to debate with you is a waste of time. You assert falsehoods, conflate radically different things, and generally have no regard for the truth and little understanding of the things being discussed.

    Intelligent people do not do this.
    They evaluate what Olcott has written and pronounce it either right or
    (much more usually) wrong.

    --
    Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
    hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer



    --
    Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
    hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)